Our Lady of the Holy Eucharist

[Iscool]

Our Lady of the Perpetual Headache was the moniker Joseph's friends had for her...

Now that's funny...I don't care who ya are...

[imardmd1]

Have you any EVIDENCE to lay before the jury?

Aaah -- you are sooo demanding!

[imardmd1]

No kidding. She's in Heaven. Why would she be perpetually sorrowful?

Because, unlike the rest of us, she gets no new body. I guess she must have to do with the old one? Unless . . .

[imardmd1]

So of course this would lead to some sort of ritual as the catholics believing they’re eating Jesus.

Yeah, it's only a day-trip pass. You have to get a new one at least one a week--the wafer effect seems to wear out pretty quickly ----

[daniel1212]

You mean this extrapolation, but which logic fails to go back far enough by extension,to Eve.

...the blood of Jesus is the maternal blood of Mary... — www.catholictradition.org/Mary/virgin-eucharist.htm

Go with this ineffable chaste thought to the banquet of God and you will find in the Blood of the Son the nourishment of the Mother. ^

..in Jesus is always the Immaculate flesh and the Virginal blood of His Most Holy Mother which penetrates into our hearts and inebriates our souls. ^

What is needed is a mother who may eat this supersubstantial Bread, transform it into her milk, and in this way feed her poor children. This mother is Mary. She nourishes herself with the Word and transforms It into the Sacred Humanity. She transforms It into Flesh and Blood, i.e., into this sweetest of milk which is called the Eucharist.”.. ^

“O Christian who comest full of faith to receive the Bread of life, eat It worthily, and remember that It was fashioned out of Mary’s pure blood.” Mary can quite rightfully beckon to us and speak to us in the words of the inspired prophet, “Come and eat my bread, drink the wine I have prepared” (Prov. 9:5)...

Thus every time we go to Holy Communion, something sweet to recall is that Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament is the Bread of Life produced from Mary with the flour of her Immaculate flesh, kneaded with the admixture of her virginal milk. ^

[daniel1212]

Is it true that Catholics are not welcome here?

That, as i think you know, assumes a statement that was not made, and if it was true i would have sent it long ago to one of the Cath. publicists which use FR to serve them.

But it does testify that while much is tolerated (i have even seen Swedenborgism a few times) on this pro-God site - but not liberalism thank God - there are limits, pro-Mormonic propaganda being one of them (i think they pushed it too much). How much others are like them and what the response is to be is up the owner and steward under God of this site, as Jim has the right to interpret his own words. He is the "pope" her, not RCs or Francis.

And whom i rarely want to bother, as he has plenty to do i am sure.

[mrobisr]

“to pass down revealed truth, unadulterated and unchanged for two thousand years.”

Now that’s funny not really, but it is and absolute lie! How many councils has your denomination had, apporx 21? Most of them changed fundamental beliefs thus your claim is built on a lie. I will give you a couple as examples do your research you have been boondoggled.

1245AD - 1st Council of Lyons
1274AD - 2nd Council of Lyons
Discussed and formulated the official church position on purgatory.

1545-1563 - Council of Trent
Cannon 6, The establishment of the 7 sacraments for salvation not by Grace alone.

These changes are MAJOR doctrine changes as both refer to eternal life one way or the other. I have just cited two examples there are so many more. One example took over 1200yrs and the other over 1500yrs. Sorta odd that they were passed down, but took that long to become “Official” doctrine.

[daniel1212]

How many councils has your denomination had, apporx 21? Most of them changed fundamental beliefs thus your claim is built on a lie.

But Rome autocratically defines what a contradiction is, and what RCs will argue, and can have merit, is that what you are referring to is conciliar affirmations or definitions (if not always infallible) of what was believed before.

But which does not mean it was believed everywhere and by all, or even close to that. And it can even mean it lacking in actual early evidence. Rome can just claim to remember what she "forgot."

Listen to Ratzinger explain the Assumption, which is lacking in early evidence:

Before Mary's bodily Assumption into heaven was defined, all theological faculties in the world were consulted for their opinion. Our teachers' answer was emphatically negative...

Altaner, the patrologist from Wurzburg…had proven in a scientifically persuasive manner that the doctrine of Mary’s bodily Assumption into heaven was unknown before the 5C; this doctrine, therefore, he argued, could not belong to the “apostolic tradition. And this was his conclusion, which my teachers at Munich shared. This argument is compelling if you understand “tradition” strictly as the handing down of fixed formulas and texts…

But if you conceive of “tradition” as the living process whereby the Holy Spirit introduces us to the fullness of truth and teaches us how to understand what previously we could still not grasp (cf. Jn 16:12-13), then subsequent “remembering” (cf. Jn 16:4, for instance) can come to recognize what it has not caught sight of previously and was already handed down in the original Word,” J. Ratzinger, Milestones (Ignatius, n.d.), 58-59.

Yes, tradition certainly was conceived to teach this, "remembering" what was is wanted, making it a binding doctrine no less, but to attribute this to the Holy Spirit is blasphemous and makes Rome a false teacher, teaching for doctrines the traditions of men. For which she will suffer.

In contrast,

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. (2 Peter 1:16)

[mrobisr]

No one needs to make Mary into a demigod your denomination does a fine job all by itself. By pointing out that your own Bible and catechism doesn’t match up doesn’t mean “hater”. Actually it would be the truth that Christ spoke of.

”There is no one, O Most Holy Mary, who can know God except through thee; no one who can be saved or redeemed but through thee, O Mother of God; no one who can be delivered from dangers but through thee, O Virgin Mother; no one who obtains mercy but through thee, O Filled-With-All-Grace!” -Saint Germanus of Constantinople, Patriarch of Constantinople, d. 733 AD

Genesis 12:3 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
3 I will bless those who bless you, and the one who curses you I will curse; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

[mrobisr]

Sorry missed the sarc!

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

By pointing out that your own Bible and catechism doesn’t match up doesn’t mean “hater”.

The Bible tells us that Mary is the Queen of Heaven.

Jesus is the King of the eternal, redeemed Davidic Kingdom, the "Kingdom of God," or Christ's Church.

He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, (Luke 1:32)

These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. (Rev. 3:7)

In the Davidic kingdom, the mother of the king, the Queen Mother, or "Gebirah," enjoyed an exalted position, above that of the wives of the king, often sitting at the right hand of the king.

When Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, the king stood up to meet her, bowed down to her and sat down on his throne. He had a throne brought for the king’s mother, and she sat down at his right hand. (1 Kings 2:19)

Mary is the mother of the King of the eternal, redeemed Davidic Kingdom. She is the Queen Mother of the eternal, redeemed Davidic Kingdom, or the "Kingdom of God." (The Ark, which contained the manna, Aaron's staff, and the decalogue, was a type for Mary, who held within her womb "the bread of life," the eternal High Priest, and the Eternal Word.)

Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm. A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” (Rev 11:19-12:1-5)

[caww]

Might be a bit of humor there...but really if they have to do this over and over again then surely “He leaves” along the way.

Therefore this catholic ritual itself opposes Christianity as Jesus died ONCE for all...and we are sealed by His Spirit. Doing re-runs flies in the face of that truth.

[mrobisr]

You are saying that the Bible says that, but not one verse states that as fact. You are adding to and twisting the text, but it’s just not there. There are many traditions here on earth that will not be carried into Heaven. To imply the Davidic Kingdom rituals and traditions as Heavenly is ridiculous to say the least. Marriage was/is allowed, but Scripture clearly states that there will be no marriage in Heaven. There is sin on earth, but none in Heaven. Jesus had Brothers and Sisters and Mary had sex, but you deny that fact also. Obtw the verse from Revelation you mentioned isn’t about Mary. You might argue that’s it’s the Church while I say it’s the nation of Israel thus refers to twelve stars representing the twelve tribes. Mary was of one tribe not twelve.

Again you added Scripture to your Bible, the Ark contained exactly what Scripture said it contained.

Hebrews 9:4 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

4 In it stood the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which there were a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant;

Mark 6:3 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon, and are not his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.

Matthew 13:55-56 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? 56 And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all this?”

[caww]

Jeremiah 7:18 says,

“Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.” [Jeremiah 7:17-18]

God is telling Israel why He is about to physically destroy them as a nation. God is acting much like a Prosecutor who is informing the accused as to the charges against them. ...Notice that God is very angry that these people are preparing to worship the Queen of Heaven. He is saying that this worship of the Queen of Heaven is “provoking” Him to anger!

In Jeremiah 44:16-17.... Here, we see that the people are defiantly refusing to obey God, and are continuing to worship this Queen of Heaven.

... “Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.”

We see that God has finally gotten the message, that the people are going to worship this Queen of Heaven no matter what He says. Therefore, God tells them to go ahead with their rebellion, because He is going to totally destroy them.

You can read the full account of this Divine Judgment in Jeremiah 44:1-20-29, and we encourage you to read it, for God never changes, and He would be just as enraged today about this idolatrous worship as He was then.

[caww]

Pain in Childbirth was the result of the curse of sin.

Catholics would look at Revelation 12:1-2 and interpret “the woman clothed with the sun” as being a reference to Mary. Is this position correct? No, it is not.

If you notice the text in verse 2 it says that she was “with child and ‘she cried out being in labor and in pain.”

This is a problem because according to the Roman Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, Mary did not inherit Original Sin.

Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854:

The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved ‘immune from all stain of original sin.”

Original Sin is “the hereditary fallen nature and moral corruption that is passed down from Adam to his descendants.

“Sin entered the world through Adam (Romans 5:12).
He is the first man who committed sin, and that sin is reckoned to all people (1 Corinthians 15:22; Romans 5:18).
This means that all descendants of Adam are under the effects of original sin.

Gen. 3:16,

“To the woman He said, ‘I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth. In pain you shall bring forth children. Yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.’”

Notice that part of the curse is pain in childbirth. This is why women suffer during the birth process. So, when we look back to the text of Revelation 12:1-2, we see that the woman clothed with the sun is suffering birth pain.

Since the Roman Catholic position is that Mary could not be suffering birth pain (because of her Immaculate Conception and no Original Sin), then these verses cannot be about Mary.

[caww]

Link to above exerts

http://carm.org/revelation12mary

[imardmd1]

Christianity as Jesus died ONCE for all . . .

Only if one believes in the Bible.

Otherwise, you just have to sin, then sacrifice; sin, then sacrifice . . . at least the religionists of Jesus' time had real bodies and blood of bulls and goats. They didn't have to rely on transubstantiation to get a "sacrifice."

[caww]

...”They didn’t have to rely on transubstantiation to get a “sacrifice.”.....

Well this stuff is hocus pocus and certainly a history of like it in the pagan world.

Can hardly believe how much of catholicism is so wrapped up in ritual and pomp to hide what’s really going on. It’s thick and ment to be so.

[imardmd1]

The Bible tells us that Mary is the Queen of Heaven.

This malfeasance in the handling of the Word of The God is exactly the way the the early logicians executed the system of Plato to turn metaphors into allegories that misrepresented the hermeneutic, the science of interpretation, to create doctrines believable on the surface, but inconsistent with the straightforward common sense of the Bible context. Taken individually, the props for this doctrine will not hold up when examined in the light of a literal, grammatical, historical, and cultural hermeneutic.

The whole Platonic persuasion takes the authority of Scripture's ability to interpret itself,, and removes it to the shoulders of the allegorizers who say, "We are the only agency who can interpret Scripture for you. You cannot read Scripture and find Biblical truths by yourself. To try to do so is anathema."

Therein is the great lie that Romanism perpetrates on its clientele, thus placing the reasonings of fallible, finite humans above the infallible, inerrant authority of the Preserved Word that The Great Jehovah places above His Own Name.

In the spiritual outpourings of David, speaking as carried by the Holy Spirit, and written as infallible Scripture:

"I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name" (Ps. 138:2 AV)(my emphases).

And as the Jesus, approaching the Cross, asked the Father for His diciple Apostles, and their spiritual progeny, and the method by which they should be preserved from corruption:

"I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth" (Jn 17:14-16 AV).

And about sharing His Glory, Jehovah The Messiah says:

"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. . . .
For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another" (Isa. 42:8, 48:11 AV).

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The cult of Romanism falsely claims that Mary will be elevated to a special throne of Heaven to share His Glory and administer grace to earthly humans, by the hands and will of the allegorizers. It is by this mechanism of manufacturing misguided metaphors that the leadership of the local church at Rome has gained direct control over half of the unregenerated "Christian" population in other places and in other churches together with their material resources, and menaced the rest of Christ-followers. IMHO.

For shame.

[Elsie]

The poor lil whiner just needed some reaffirmation...