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To: RnMomof7
Kindly link to what you heard that was Modalism, at this point I'll just say I'm skeptical.

Start pointing to something concrete please, give us quotes that are wrong, quotes that are genuinely against what scripture says. What I read and linked to in the article is silly, and would convict anyone who has been the best of teachers in the church.

48 posted on 01/14/2015 9:14:31 AM PST by Lakeshark
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To: Lakeshark; RnMomof7

If Mom said she heard Moore teetering on Modalism, I believe her. As far as I am concerned she has impeccable credentials.

Since your wife has Moore material, and you want to defend Moore, why don’t you find us an orthodox Trinitarian statement?


50 posted on 01/14/2015 10:19:37 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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To: Lakeshark; Gamecock
I heard this many years ago at the church I attended then .. can not remember the name of the tape.. She comment that she is wife , mother and teacher and that is like the trinity.

It hit me because I had used a similar analogy once.. only to find out that was modalism and a heresy Pastors should listen to every take before they use it as a teaching tool

51 posted on 01/14/2015 11:15:17 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Ga 4:16)
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To: Lakeshark; Gamecock; RnMomof7

Here’s some of Beth Moore’s teaching:

Exegetical Errors

If Mrs. Moore is exercising the position of a Bible teacher, then she should be able to properly exegete Scripture. Unfortunately, she is guilty of frequent allegorization where she misapplies Scripture. To allegorize means to use a symbol as representing a more complex idea. The problem is that with allegorizing, Scripture can be made to say almost anything. Let’s take a look at a few of the many examples of Beth Moore’s improper Biblical interpretive practices.

Quote: Speaking of the demoniac of Matt. 8:28-34, she says, “before we proceed to the next point, consider a fact revealed in verse 27. The demonic didn’t live in a house. He resided in the tombs. I wonder how many people today are living “in the tombs”? I know a woman who is still so oppressed by despair that decades after the loss of a loved one, she still lives “in the tombs,” (Jesus, the One and Only by Beth Moore, B & H Publishing Group, Nashville, Tenn., 2002, p. 143-144).

Response: The Biblical text is about Jesus’ authority over the demonic realm, not about people living “in the tombs.” The two demoniac’s that were living in these dark places were exceedingly violent (v. 28). They said to Jesus, “What do we have to do with you, Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?” Jesus then commanded the demons in these two men to leave, and they went and entered into swine (vv. 31-32). The point of the text has nothing to do with people who are held in bondage by emotional traumas. Beth’s allegorizing the text to make it fit her need is a wrong use of the text.

Quote: “As stated in the introduction to this book, we may not always be sure God wills to heal us physically in this life of every disease or prosper us with tangible blessings, but He always wills to free us from strongholds. You will never have to worry about whether you are praying in God’s will concerning strongholds. “It is for freedom that Christ has set us free,” (Gal. 5:1)(Praying God’s Word: Breaking Free from Spiritual Strongholds by Beth Moore, B & H Publishing Group, Nashville, Tenn., 2009, p. 36, italics in original)

Response: The context of Gal. 5:1 is dealing with being under the law (Gal. 4:21). Paul contrasts children under the law and “children of promise” (Gal. 4:28). Paul was warning the Galatians about being enslaved to the Mosaic law, which is why he says in the next verse “ . . . that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.” Beth Moore has improperly applied a verse, taking it out of its original context and meaning, and used it in a manner for which it was not intended—as the Biblical context demonstrates.

Quote: After writing about literal Barbie dolls used in churches, put in pews, with hands lifted up, she mentioned how one of them had a gnawed off leg. “Though the group didn’t know it, they’d hit the nail right on the head, or maybe the leg right on the stump. That was me all right. No, I don’t have a missing leg, but if you could see me with your spiritual eyes, surely at least one of my legs was gnawed off at the knee. Ephesians 4:27 warns, “Do not give the devil a foothold.” Uh, too late. Satan has wounded me, but he hasn’t devoured me. He got the leg, but he’s never gotten the thigh, though goodness knows he wanted it. I may walk with a spiritual limp, but thanks be to God, who holds me up and urges me to lean on Him, at least I can walk. So can you,” (Get Out of That Pit: Straight Talk about God’s Deliverance by Beth Moore, Thomas Nelson, Nashville Tennessee, 2007, p. 87).

Response: The context of Eph. 4:27 is this: “Therefore, laying aside falsehood, speak truth, each one of you, with his neighbor, for we are members of one another. 26 Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27 and do not give the devil an opportunity. 28 Let him who steals steal no longer; but rather let him labor, performing with his own hands what is good, in order that he may have something to share with him who has need.” The stronghold in Ephesians is about sinning in anger or theft, etc., something the devil can use against us and others. Beth Moore’s “spiritual eyes” about being gnawed off at the knee and not giving the devil a stronghold have nothing to do with the text. Beth should not take any text that “might” look like a phrase that could fit a “spiritual” lesson and then use it to make a point. She is failing to exegete Scripture properly. She is teaching to just apply verses willy-nilly in whatever direction seems fit. This is dangerous.
Scripture means what it means in context. Beth Moore needs to examine the context of Scripture, note what it actually says, and then stick to it. She should not take a word or phrase in Scripture, expand it, throw in a “spiritual” meaning not taught in the verses, then misapply it in a five-step how-to-get-out-of-your-pit-of-depression pop psychology speech that is housed in Christian terminology. Proclaiming God’s Word is a very serious matter and all Bible teachers should seek to be as faithful to Scripture as possible—lest we violate God’s Word and mislead His people.

https://carm.org/beth-moore


68 posted on 10/29/2015 6:53:07 PM PDT by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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