Posted on 01/01/2015 2:06:50 PM PST by RnMomof7
With Reformation Day coming up, this is a good time to recall why the Reformers departed from Roman Catholicism. In our day especially, it seems that many Christians have history-amnesia when it comes to the importance of what God did through the Reformers. During the Reformation, great confusion existed regarding what was, and was not, the true church of Christ. Rome had asserted itself as the true church for centuries, and continues to do so today. However, as the Reformers recognized then, Christians must follow in step today by recalling that joining hands with Rome is a departure from Christ.
To be clear, this is not to say that everyone who sits in a Roman Catholic church is not a Christian. What it is saying is that several changes must occur before Roman Catholicism, by the book, can be considered biblical Christianity. And the men and women of the Reformation understood this, hence their necessary break with Rome. In their case, and ours, joining Christ necessitates breaking with Rome and coming under Christ means coming out from under Rome.
Christians will know that it is time to join hands with Rome when it does the following:
1. Renounce the Papacy.
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REtract.
Sorry. I got my threads mixed up. Please disregard.
Let us be honest. The differences between these various Protestant denominations is of beliefs not just a question of rites. Some of these differences are minor but many are major.
Your comments include the Catholic church as it is simply another religious denomination.
SCRIPTURE is the standard by which truth claims are measured.
NOT Catholicism.
***More precisely, why did they seem to have to wait 1500 years? ***
Because the Sacred Scriptures in original languages did not become available and the printing press was not yet invented to allow mass distribution of the gospels, and men became more educated a LEARNED TO READ about that time.
The first thing so many of them realized when they got hold of a copy of the new Testament was...”Hey, THAT’s not what I’ve been taught”!
I will not denigrate the ancient church, as during the DARK AGES, they were responsible for keeping knowledge alive in the worst time in Human History. They may not have realized what a treasure they really had in their hot little hands!
The One true Church -- the Catholic Church and how to recognize it.
Use this guideline as a measure...
*It was founded by Jesus Christ Himself in Mt 16:18.
*It would be built on Simon Peter, Mt 16:18.
*It would be defended by GOD Himself, Mt 16:18-19.
*It would have authority given by Jesus Christ, Mt 16:19,18:17-18.
*It would be guided by the Holy Spirit who will dwell within it, Jn 14:15-17, Act 15:28,16:6.
*It would be one and undivided, Mk 3:24-25.
*It would have one fold and one shepherd, Jn 10:16.
*It would have Priests, Bishops, and Deacons, 1Tim 3:1-13.
*It must have the Holy Eucharist celebration, Jn 6:42-70, Acts 2:42.
*It must be found in all nations, Mt 28:19.
*It must be found in all centuries, Mt 28:20.
*Jesus Christ said He would be with His Church every day, in every year, until the end of the world, Mt 28:20. (This means no gaps in time.)
I have no problem with being a baptized catholic. I have no problem with the doctrine. . The Priest, and his Bishop, and their Cardinal and the pope and the utter evil many have backed is the problem.
I can talk to God fine on my own. I do it all the time. And I know he hears because I see it in the things around me. And A priest had nothing to do with it. When THEY return to the Catholic faith, I will return to the catholic church.
Examples, please.
Show us what a Catholic considers a major differences in belief that are something that the Catholics thinks would or should or could affect one's salvation.
**When THEY return to the Catholic faith, I will return to the catholic church**
Who is they?
And in Revelation Chapter 2 and 3 Jesus tell the church to REPENT AND RETURN TO YOUR FIRST LOVE or he will leave.
oops, don’t want to claim that one.....................
Saturday originally never had anything to do with sacrifice, it was a day of rest.
The early Christians held service on the first day of the week for two reasons,
1 in respect of the Sabbath.
2 in honor of the resurrection.
We can worship any day, we can rest any day.
Yes every day is a Sabbath but not the Sabbath
God rested on the seventh day, he called it the Sabbath it is history.
So we agree that every day can be a Sabbath, but the ones calling Sunday the Sabbath are still under the same law but just using a false Sabbath.
The Sabbath of the pagans.
The Catholic Church is not simply another denomination — it is the Church Christ Himself founded.
Is Baptism needed for salvation?
Can infants be baptized?
Is Jesus truly present in the Eucharistic bread (the Lutheran consubstantiation) or not?
And of course I can add the gulf between Evangelicals and the Liberal historical Mainline Protestants as well as the Arminianism vs. Calvinist debate.
The day that saw the conquest of death and the fulfillment of the scriptures by God made man is the Sabbath of the New Covenant, shifting the focus to our final rest in Christ through His sacrifice.
To insist that Saturday is the proper sabbath is to insist that Christ did not fulfill the law.
I made that perfectly clear. But to expand,
Priests that actually follow the Bible instead of the DNC. Bishops that follow the bible instead of making excuses for the Pelosi/Kennedys of the world and openly protecting them from things they rail their poorer flocks for. Cardinals that stop shuffling bad priests around the works and electing communist popes preaching ridiculousness and unbiblical nonsense and Communist popes who break bread with savage muslim killers while excusing them as Christians die.
All of that is true. All of it happens. What do you suppose God thinks about us if we accept that evil?
Each side feels the other is unorthodox and until Christ returns there’s going to be division. Of course share beliefs and help questioning people, but this kind of thing here usually just makes the trenches deeper.
You hit the nail on the head. Christians need to stop their sniping at each other and support each other against a common enemy - which only benefits from the infighting.
Let me retry that. I have an awful headache.
My problem lies in
Priests that actually follow the DNC instead of the Bible. Bishops that make excuses for the Pelosi/Kennedys of the world and openly protecting them from things they rail their poorer flocks for. Cardinals that shuffle bad priests around the works and electing communist popes preaching ridiculousness and unbiblical nonsense and Communist popes who break bread with savage muslim killers while excusing them as Christians die.
Apologies for the confusion all.
Check STRONG’s.
A COFFIN in Egypt=the ARK of the covenant. SAME WORD!
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/727.htm
The LAW was dead. Dead, dead, dead! and placed in a coffin.
Exodus 32:
32 And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
2 And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.
3 And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.
4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the Lord.
6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.
7 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:
8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
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NOW, compare THIS with what the people had said earlier!
Exodus 19:8
And all the people answered together, and said, All that the Lord hath spoken WE WILL DO. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the Lord.
Exodus 24:3
And Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the Lord hath said WE WILL DO.
Exodus 24:7
And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said WE WILL DO, and be obedient.
Well, DID THEY DO IT?
My point is that these postings that, as you can clearly see, just devolve into the same people spouting the same stuff at each other over and over again and it does nothing to persuade anyone of anything. This thread has devolved into the typical thread this kind of posting always devolves into. And it does nothing to further anything or change anyone’s mind when it devolves and degrades into a verbal slap-fest.
Of course we are all on one side of the trench or another. But these posts do nothing to get anyone over to the other side of the trench. The same people just keep arguing about the same points again and again without positive effect.
And we only lasted 16 hours into the New Year until the flame war got kicked up again on this topic.
Again will you read Revelation Chapter 2 and 3. The message is from Jesus not me, you should think it is important and it can’t be any more clear. You claim authorship of the Bible but don’t read it, but Maybe you would if Mary said it................
ON second thought she did say, “listen to my son and do what He says..........................”
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