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To: mrobisr
Sorry, but the NT and OT have no beginning or ending date as they are eternal as our God.

The Scriptures are the word of God, not the WORD and are not eternal. They are not God. They were written by men in time inspired by God. Your idea of an eternal book coexistent with God is Islamic not Christian.

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

The gospel other than the one he preached, not wrote. The ministerial offices were established as a result of the preaching of the apostles prior to the writing of the New Testament.

38 posted on 12/17/2014 8:25:30 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius; mrobisr; Mr Rogers
The gospel other than the one he preached, not wrote.

What a load of bovine excrement, AGAIN. You imply AGAIN something which is not based on any proof, just supposition and TRADITIONS of the Roman horde. Paul wrote and spoke the same things.

The ministerial offices were established as a result of the preaching of the apostles prior to the writing of the New Testament.

It sure seems important for the Catholics to justify that which cannot be justified within Scripture. They bend and assert what they want it to mean, regardless of the actual writings. It's all a house built on sand, but surely displayed with lots of gold and jewels to fool those trusting in such!

Trust should be placed on the Word of God, not some groupthink which establishes a cult such as the Roman Catholics apparently has become.

Here is a caption from an essay that can explain things better than I...

... Paul’s salvation is our pattern for this dispensation, so the Holy Spirit tells us to follow Paul as he follows Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1; cf. 1 Corinthians 4:16; Ephesians 5:1; Philippians 3:17; 1 Thessalonians 1:6). There is no command to follow Peter, James, or John in the Bible. Why? Remember, Paul is “the apostle of the Gentiles” (Romans 11:13; Romans 15:16; 2 Timothy 1:11). Remember, James, Peter, and John were apostles of Israel (Matthew 10:5-7; Matthew 19:27,28; Galatians 2:9).

When the nation Israel asked the Apostle Peter, “What must we do to be saved?,” notice Peter’s answer: “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost” (Acts 2:38; cf. Acts 3:19). However, when the Philippian jailor asked Paul and Silas, “What must I do to be saved?,” notice what Paul and Silas declared: “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house” (Acts 16:31). Obviously, these are not the same message. Peter told people to repent and then get water baptized, so they could receive forgiveness of sins and receive the Holy Spirit. Yet, Paul simply taught that salvation comes by “believing on [trusting] the Lord Jesus Christ,” without preaching water baptism or repentance. If words mean anything, Peter and Paul preached two separate Gospels.

Confusion abounds when we mix the nation Israel with the Church the Body of Christ. We must “rightly divide” the Bible, separating Law from Grace (Romans 6:14-15), the prophetic program (Acts 3:21) from the mystery program (Romans 16:25-26a), just as the Apostle Paul instructed Timothy: “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV). (Another verse that modern English versions pollute.) All of the Bible is for us, but not all the Bible is to us or about us. Paul’s epistles, Romans through Philemon, have direct application to us; the rest of the Bible involves the nation Israel and her prophetic program. We cannot take Israel’s verses as though they were ours. ... excerpted

43 posted on 12/17/2014 10:11:19 PM PST by WVKayaker (Impeachment is the Constitution's answer for a derelict, incompetent president! -Sarah Palin 7/26/14)
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To: Petrosius
The gospel other than the one he preached, not wrote.

Well then no one has the actual gospel...It was lost likely almost immediately...Do all you guys really believe these fairy tales???

73 posted on 12/18/2014 3:43:06 PM PST by Iscool (e)
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To: Petrosius

Let me see if I understand you correctly the Scriptures of the Eternal God are not Eternal? So for them to exist they had to be written by a set of men on Earth to be real...lol. I’m so sorry that your god is that puny and your humans are so powerful! Are you kidding me, my God had the Word in the Heavenly Realms with him until us puny humans could handle his Truth. Since you didn’t post any Scriptures refuting what I posted it’s your word against Scripture and well you can figure that out.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 New International Version (NIV)

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

If I come off a little strong I apologize, but your writings act like God isn’t strong enough to do whatever he wants. He doesn’t need us in any capacity we are but dust to him, but due to his Love, Mercy, and Grace we are saved. He gives us what we can handle at the time and place of his good will and pleasure. Your Church My Church or our people haven’t done anything worthy of God. We can do nothing by ourselves, but he does all things through us.


94 posted on 12/18/2014 8:06:17 PM PST by mrobisr
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