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To: WVKayaker
Your error is to insist that priest can only mean a sacrificial officer, i.e. hiereus. But the original meaning of priest/preost was for the office of presbyter. The meaning has continued despite the fact priest was latter also used for hiereus.

The office of presbyter has continued to exist in the Catholic Church. In English this office is know as that of priest.

26 posted on 12/17/2014 7:09:06 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
The office of presbyter has continued to exist in the Catholic Church. In English this office is know as that of priest.

Yes, I understand the practice of ignoring Scripture is rife in the Catholic cult, but that does not establish it in light of clear understanding of the New Testament. I already posted Paul's qualifications for the position of church leadership, and it clearly sets out that first the man must be a good father to his own children.

The Catholic distortion clearly does not meet any off those standards!

Again, nice try, but no banana!!!


28 posted on 12/17/2014 7:24:16 PM PST by WVKayaker (Impeachment is the Constitution's answer for a derelict, incompetent president! -Sarah Palin 7/26/14)
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To: Petrosius

Strong’s Greek Lexicon Search Results

4245. presbuteros pres-boo’-ter-os comparative of presbus (elderly); older; as noun, a senior; specially, an Israelite Sanhedrist (also figuratively, member of the celestial council) or Christian “presbyter”:— elder(-est), old.

2409. hiereus hee-er-yooce’ from 2413; a priest (literally or figuratively):—(high) priest.


30 posted on 12/17/2014 7:29:35 PM PST by mrobisr
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To: Petrosius

The problem is, you don’t simply call them “priests”, while maintaining their proper role as described in the NT. You also give them the duties and privileges of a priestly class, even explicitly comparing them to the OT temple priests, which is contrary to the NT.

On the other hand, there is a group of people in the church that is described as a priesthood similar to the OT priests, and it is not the presbyters:

“But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:” 1 Peter 2:9

The word for priesthood used there is “hieratuma”, from the same Greek root “heiros” used to denote sacred priesthoods like the OT temple priests. It is applied in the NT to all members of the church, not to one special group, as the modern Catholic church does.


47 posted on 12/18/2014 7:30:46 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Petrosius; WVKayaker
Your error is to insist that priest can only mean a sacrificial officer, i.e. hiereus.

No sir, the error is your own I am sad to say. Look at the Levites and their duties. Especially those in the tent of meeting of the tabernacle and later the Temple.

The One Sacrifice for sin is done. Jesus is our High Priest. As Peter said, "...You also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1 Pet. 2:5)

So that's all of us, not a separate class of clergy.

63 posted on 12/18/2014 2:24:04 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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