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To: af_vet_1981
Jesus used no ploy.

Jesus to a scribe:

"David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?" (Lk. 20:44 AV).

To the temple officer:

"Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me?" (Jn. 18:23 AV).

To the disciples, including Judas Iscariot:

"Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?" (Jn. 6:70 AV).

(Lots more like this.)

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that the Spirit of God was upon David when he committed adultery and murder, although you have not fully developed your teaching here;

"Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah" (1 Sam. 16:13 AV).

Here the verb is in the imperfect tense but the overall sense of the clause is the same as if it were in the perfect. But:

"And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice" (1 Ki. 19:12 AV).

The Holy Ghost was there, but David must have refused to hear the still small voice. As we fail to heed the still small voice when we are contemplating iniquity. To God, sin is sin, no matter how we try to regard it as small or large.

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More later. Time to rest.

6,851 posted on 01/24/2015 9:25:55 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1; aMorePerfectUnion
Placemaker, or peacemaker

:-)

6,852 posted on 01/24/2015 10:36:42 PM PST by Mark17 (Calvary's love will sail forever, bright and shining, strong n free. Like an ark of peace and safety)
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To: imardmd1
Jesus used that didactic ploy in debating the self-serving Pharisees all the time.

I believe the first term you used to describe your own comments was "trolling" (post 6798: "I really was just trolling to get you to step in it, and you did."). Then came a defense of "trolling" because, according to you, Jesus used it as a "plot" all the time.

Ploy is defined as something that is done or said, often dishonestly, in order to get an advantage; a trick:
a marketing ploy
. Have you translated your own version of the Bible to include the word "ploy" after the fashion of your other teachings, despite the fact that there was no deceit in Messiah's mouth ?

The Holy Ghost was there, but David must have refused to hear the still small voice. As we fail to heed the still small voice when we are contemplating iniquity. To God, sin is sin, no matter how we try to regard it as small or large.

This is what I expected. It seems to me a theological anomaly where one believes the Holy Spirit was always upon David, even as he committed murder and adultery. Notwithstanding it was almost a millennium before the coming of Messiah, and all the theological problems that presents.

6,856 posted on 01/25/2015 7:47:35 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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