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To: af_vet_1981
This is progress. You left out Independent Fundamentalist Baptists but I assume you include them.

How does "conservative Baptists" not include IFB churches?

Do you include Pentecostal groups that believe the LORD Jesus Christ did not command the Jewish Apostles to teach all nations and baptize them with water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit ?

If their only difference from the rest of what i said is baptizing them in the name of the Lord Jesus as the Son in the Trinity (versus sabellianism, and having to speak in tongues as in UPC) then they could be included.

While i uphold the Trinitarian formula, yet as Acts (and the epistles) are interpretive of the gospels, and in which "name" is singular, and only being baptized "in the name of the Lord Jesus" or "in the name of the Lord" is in Acts, like as souls were healed and demons were cast out by the same name, in whose name believers are to do all things, then a case can be made that this represents the authority of the Trinity, as Christ is God manifest in the flesh.

Rome has the formula, but perverts the gospel.

3,514 posted on 12/28/2014 7:58:22 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
How does "conservative Baptists" not include IFB churches?

I thought you would know that more about that than me than me.

The short answer is conservative Baptist is used to describe Baptists which are in conventions that Independent and Fundamentalist regard as more Evangelical than Independent and Fundamental, ie., SBC or CBA.

Their characteristics are particularly due to two dividing lines—Fundamentalism and the means of denominational operation. Their Fundamentalism has made them strongly confessional, stressing both the fundamentals of the faith and dispensational premillennialism. They militantly oppose theological Liberalism and regard separation from groups which tolerate it as “redemptive.” Their condemnation of convention organizations and their emphasis on local church autonomy have led them to reject centralized denominational organizations. They have established general associations of churches with separate mission and educational organizations or pastor-led fellowships.

Because of their militancy, they have been prone to division. The Conservative Baptist Association, which began as a separatist fundamentalist group (today considered a conservative evangelical body), experienced division when a more militant group left, which today exists in nine separate regional fellowships or associations. The World Baptist Fellowship has experienced two divisions—the Baptist Bible Fellowship International separated in 1950, and the Independent Baptist Fellowship International in 1984.

Conservative Baptists is a name used to describe members of the Conservative Baptist Association of America (an association formed in 1947 at Atlantic City, New Jersey), used loosely as the larger "Conservative Baptist Movement", or used as a description of Baptists that hold a "conservative" viewpoint of theology in contrast to "liberals". The terminology is often applied to members of the Southern Baptist Convention, whose recent history has seen a struggle between "conservatives" and "moderates".

3,767 posted on 12/29/2014 5:15:02 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: daniel1212
If their only difference from the rest of what i said is baptizing them in the name of the Lord Jesus as the Son in the Trinity (versus sabellianism, and having to speak in tongues as in UPC) then they could be included.

It is unclear whether you are in fellowship with Pentecostals and Charismatics or not. Church of Christ ? Assemblies of God ? It seems to me quite a doctrinal contradiction with Independent Fundamental Baptists.

3,773 posted on 12/29/2014 5:29:48 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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