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Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?
self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; blessedvirginmary; catholic; mary; mystery; mysterybabylon; prayer; rcinventions; vanities; vanity; worship
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To: miss marmelstein
Then you need to back off defining who Catholics are. Something you do every day here.

Show me a post where I define who Catholics are. Provide the links to show that I've done it every day.

Otherwise, your accusation can be dismissed as bearing false witness.

4,461 posted on 12/31/2014 6:12:22 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: BlueDragon
Sports-wise,they tell me I'm not quite infallible, but... what a magnificent analogy!

Touchdown at the net!


4,462 posted on 12/31/2014 6:16:41 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("OK, youse guys, pair off by threes." - Yogi Berra)
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To: CynicalBear
Worshipping a cracker carried around on the end of a stick is idolatry

In the protestant church it is indeed a cracker and either real wine or else grape juice. In the Catholic church, however, it is the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.....how sad that you don't share that wonderful gift!!

4,464 posted on 12/31/2014 6:26:11 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Elsie
There is NO reason to be Catholic.

unless one wants to follow the Church that Christ founded and seek salvation through His gifts of the church and the sacraments and His personal guidance....

4,465 posted on 12/31/2014 6:32:21 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl
In the protestant church it is indeed a cracker and either real wine or else grape juice. In the Catholic church, however, it is the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.....how sad that you don't share that wonderful gift!!

Good answer.

4,466 posted on 12/31/2014 6:37:27 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: metmom

Thank you. You said what I see on here every day. Happy New Year. May it be a happy, blessed one.


4,467 posted on 12/31/2014 6:49:03 PM PST by MamaB
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To: terycarl

Show me book, chapter and verse where it says people have to be catholic to be saved.


4,468 posted on 12/31/2014 6:50:54 PM PST by MamaB
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To: LadyDoc; terycarl; miss marmelstein; verga
Good answer.

Prefect!

BTTT

4,469 posted on 12/31/2014 6:51:16 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: MamaB; All
To all on the Religeous Threads!


4,470 posted on 12/31/2014 6:56:25 PM PST by caww
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To: PeterPrinciple

I agree with you. The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.


4,471 posted on 12/31/2014 7:11:49 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: caww

Thanks. You, too.


4,472 posted on 12/31/2014 7:22:44 PM PST by MamaB
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To: metmom
Thank you for all you have taken the time to quote and send.

Following Jesus' second commandment, I am going to give you the benefit of doubt and think only the best about you, that you really do have my best interests at heart and that you are motivated by your love for me.

Thank you for this gift of patience and these opportunities to grow in His Love that you have so graciously offered me.

I will pray for you and that we both gain from Wisdom's visit His understanding and His peace.

Be well, metmom. Happy New Year!

4,473 posted on 12/31/2014 7:23:40 PM PST by GBA (I feel this "end times" thrill running up my leg!)
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To: terycarl
>>In the Catholic church, however, it is the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ....<<

At least they have you duped into believing it. Jesus eating His own flesh and drinking His own blood!!! And that all living under the law of not eating blood. That's a sinful Jesus you guys have.

4,474 posted on 12/31/2014 7:27:19 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: af_vet_1981
This may be news to you, but when you post comments on an OPEN thread anyone can choose to respond. If you don't like that, simply don't post on them.

When you criticize Christians who are not Catholic by attacking the Reformation - and all those you presume are related - with spurious charges, it's not unreasonable to expect responses that demonstrate why you are wrong. Own YOUR words.

4,475 posted on 12/31/2014 7:36:06 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: GBA

Thank you for your gracious thoughts and words.

God Bless you in the coming year.


4,476 posted on 12/31/2014 7:45:55 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: verga
You're welcome. I hoped it might be helpful, no matter which side of the arguments anyone might be coming from.

This means very literally all the laws of Moses (including the 10 commandments) are voided because we find Salvation in Jesus!!!

Your saying "voided" is a slightly different understanding than mine.

I've read that Mosaic Law's 10 Commandments have not been voided, but rather effectively condensed into Jesus' two commandments: Love God and love your neighbor as yourself.

In other words, you can't break any of the Big Ten without also breaking either of Jesus' first or second commandments and, conversely, breaking either of Jesus' two entails breaking one or more of the Mosaic Big Ten.

Jesus is more general with only two. Mosaic law is more specific with the ten.

Regardless, if you have Salvation in Jesus and Him in your heart and live through Him, loving God and your neighbors, you won't be breaking any of the Big Ten anyway, so your way of seeing it is essentially correct to my way of thinking.

Am I close?

4,477 posted on 12/31/2014 7:52:48 PM PST by GBA (I feel this "end times" thrill running up my leg!)
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To: ealgeone; St_Thomas_Aquinas; Elsie
Is it within the realm of possibility that Paul had a little more insight on this topic when he wrote those words? Possibly knowing that what he was writing was Scripture and that the other books of the NT would be as well.

Peter referred to Paul's writings as "Scripture" so I would have to say that there was a unique respect given to those writings that were specifically given by the Holy Spirit. That, "Holy men of God spoke as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.", is how they were described. It should be obvious that this designation and recognition was not given to just any writing - even IF it came from the pen of an Apostle. There was something intrinsic to them that believers were able to know they were the truth and should be obeyed. The Jews didn't wait until the entire Old Testament was written before they accepted the writings of Moses and the prophets.

4,478 posted on 12/31/2014 7:56:20 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: CynicalBear
Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Just so there is no confusion that is in the New Testament.

Does that mean that you wouldn't accept a blood transfusion to save your life???

4,479 posted on 12/31/2014 8:12:35 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Elsie
Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become "fools" so that you may become wise. (I Cor. 3:18)
4,480 posted on 12/31/2014 8:14:48 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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