Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
What is it with you? How is that relevant and where did i claim I was IFB? That was were you diverted from after my reproof that
"again, your preoccupation with particular churches presumes that i and other evangelicals are promoting a church, or that the one true church is one particular denomination, which is false. Only the body of Christ is 100% constituted by believers, while its varied (and they were in Scripture) visible churches have never been made up of 100% believers for long, nor did they realize comprehensive unity, or could presume to maintain complete freedom from any error.
But God always preserved faith, but not by a perpetual infallible magisterium, though magisterial authority has its place, but God often raised men from without the magisterium to correct it, and or add revelation, and preserver it. And thus the church began and thus has faith been often preserved. "
And that i basically ID as nondenominational is irrelevant as to the issue of paedobaptism, as is your preoccupation with denominations, as it is not I who am preaching a particular church as the OTC, and it is RCs who find fault that we have particular infallible church which we are bound to assent to as supreme as a RC must to Rome.
Thus what you need to establish is that perpetual magisterial infallibility is essential for a church to be true, and to discern and preserve faith, with the historical stewards of Scripture being that magisterium.
And that those who hold most strongly to the most fundamental distinctive of the Reformation, that of Scripture being supreme as the wholly inspired and accurate word of God, are less unified in basic values and beliefs than the fruit of Rome. And that paper unity constitutes what one really believes.
Otherwise what is of God is subject to being established upon the weight of Scriptural substantiation, though that allows for competition, and a harder path to unity than the premise of assured magisterial veracity, and thus implicit assent.
it is EXACTLY what the Bible represented
Right. Who do you think wrote the Holy Scripture, Luther and Calvin?
Then by what justification do you call Mary “Co-Redemtrix?”
Are you kidding....they're wanting to promote this to be an "official" dogma of the church! They are petitioning the pope to make this happen now.
Give it time and Mary will soon replace her Son as the one providing salvation. In "The Glories of Mary" (18th c) we already see this idea expressed.
Fly, oh Adam, oh Eve, and ye their children, who have offended God ; fly and take refuge in the bosom of this good mother. Do you not know that she is the only city of refuge, and the only hope of sinners ?| As St. Augustine has called her, The only hope of sinners :
Hence St. Ephrem says: Thou art the only advocate of sinners, and of those who are deprived of every help; and he thus salutes her: Hail! refuge and retreat of sinners, to whom alone they can flee with confidence.!
If St. Antoninus relates that a sinner finding himself in disgrace before God, imagined himself standing before the tribunal of Jesus Christ : the devil was accusing him and Mary defending him. The enemy presented against this poor criminal the catalogue of his offences, which, placed in the balance of divine justice far outweighed his good works ; but what then did his great advocate do ? She extended her kind hand and placed it in the other scale; it descended in favor of her suppliant, and thus it was given him to understand, that she would obtain his pardon if he would change his life; and, indeed, after that vision he was converted and changed his life.
http://archive.org/stream/thegloriesofmary00liguuoft/thegloriesofmary00liguuoft_djvu.txt
For what it's worth, Islam also believes in a scale where your good and bad works will be evaluated.
You got some 'splaning to do Lucy!
That makes no sense what you posted.
No where does James make any reference to a "special" canonized saint. Again with the man-made nonsense by the rcc.
No wonder some think it's a cult.
Good grief, Bear, why do you post word-by-word translation if you apparently, don't know Greek grammar?
All translations detect a question here, including Young's Literal and your own King James Version.
While there are some bishops who call Mary “Co-Redemptrix,” this term is not found in the Catechism. Mary is referred to as Mediatrix, but only in the sense that she intercedes for us to Jesus. Nowhere does the Catechism state that Mary intercedes to the Father. It is Jesus and Jesus alone who is our Mediator to the Father.
Obviously, no one can be blamed for doubting a doctrine not yet infallibly proclaimed. Even now, the Church asks that the dogmas be studied and a serious effort be made understanding them, but not blind unthinking obedience. It is a flippant negation of the Church teaching, no matter how recent, that is sinful and may preclude entry into Heaven.
We constantly seek for help from Heaven - the sole means of effecting anything - that our labours and our care may obtain their wished for object. We deem that there could be no surer and more efficacious means to this end than by religion and piety to obtain the favour of the great Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, the guardian of our peace and the minister to us of heavenly grace, who is placed on the highest summit of power and glory in Heaven, in order that she may bestow the help of her patronage on men who through so many labours and dangers are striving to reach that eternal city. …..showing that the Catholic Church has always, and with justice, put all her hope and trust in the Mother of God. SUPREMI APOSTOLATUS OFFICIO ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIIION DEVOTION OF THE ROSARY
Mediatrix of all Graces 1921 Pope Benedict XV We are then, it will be seen, very far from attributing to the Mother of God a productive power of grace - a power which belongs to God alone. Yet, since Mary carries it over all in holiness and union with Jesus Christ, and has been associated by Jesus Christ in the work of redemption, she merits for us de congruo, in the language of theologians, what Jesus Christ merits for us de condigno, and she is the supreme Minister of the distribution of graces. Jesus "sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high" (Hebrews i. b.). Mary sitteth at the right hand of her Son - a refuge so secure and a help so trusty against all dangers that we have nothing to fear or to despair of under her guidance, her patronage, her protection. (Pius IX. in Bull Ineffabilis).
It does. "Whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven" (Matthew 18:18)
nope...He said "do THIS in memory of me"
Diagram the sentence. An imperative sentence with the subject "you" understood, do is the verb, THIS, is the object of the sentence and at that point, the sentence is a complete one. The added phrase "in memory of Me" merely tells us why He wants us to "Do This"....This is the consecration of the bread and wine which He had just done.
Sad. Be assured that God is very much interested in you.
‘Cus He is a baby?
our Bibles are out in the open also, we do have 1 very decorative one on the table under the image of The Sacred Heart. The rest are just books and in no way decorative...black leatherette but pretty nondescript.
That is clearly a heresy. Man cannot cooperate with grace:
by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God; Not of works, that no man may glory (Eph. 2:8-9)Grace is not of works. Man is saved by grace alone.
They do not get that. It seems like they like going the long way around when all they have to do is pray to Jesus. I do not understand that. Go directly to the Source.
Why should that matter? Did he change his mind about what he wrote or rescind any of it? I never heard he had. His move to the Orthodox didn't change that what he said was true.
How are you coming on that research into finding dogmatic Roman Catholic statements on justification by faith and works prior to Trent? Your diversionary tricks won't work, you know.
Oh good grief, I know what Eucharist means, I was just connecting the word Eucharist with the words that created it. The words This is My Body, however, gave us the Eucharist and Catholics are very fortunate to have accepted that gift from Christ....unlike some.
The larger context does not negate the fact that the body and blood of Jesus is mentioned right next to the need to “discern the body”. Whose body? That is clear too, because the Last Supper words of consecration are repeated: “This is my body”. At the Last Supper, did Jesus speak of how people should first eat at home, etc.?
They collected them and believed in the healing power of relics. That is veneration. Entirely biblical.
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