Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
Actually right on target given how much flack I am getting.
It was already replied to. See my reply to cynical. The matter has been settled anyone that says otherwise is a narrow minded bigot.
rather than running off with inane nonsense, why not attend a Catholic Mass or a change. There you would discover that the entire Mass is appealing to the lord for forgiveness, asking for His mercy, extolling His relationship with mankind, reminding ourselves that salvation is a gift from God through Christ, and participating in the extraordinary gift of the Holy Eucharist....one of the seven Sacraments that He instituted as gifts to mankind.
Believe it or not I have been to one. Walked in the door and there was a statue of Mary with arms extended. Not sure if that is standard in catholic churches or not.
Recall hearing the rosary, seeing communion, though I did not participate(I do participate at the church I attend).
Man, you catholics have some thin skin.....bigot??
You know what they say about the kitchen?
And Paul does a wonderful job of clarifying that verse: Gal 5:18 But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these: fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, parties,
Gal 5:21 envyings, drunkenness, revellings, and such like; of which I forewarn you, even as I did forewarn you, that they who practise such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 meekness, self-control; against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are of Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with the passions and the lusts thereof.
Gal 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, by the Spirit let us also walk.
Prots have difficulty accepting the truth
It's a nice thought and I understand the sentiment. However, it is not supported Scripturally. We have zero record of Mary being able to do any of the things catholicism has elevated her to.
In your post you've equated her to having abilities of Christ and in some cases the disciples. Of those later two we have record of.
You mention wanting to not "err in ignorance". Consider this:
If Mary is who catholics claim she is, then non-catholics have not availed themselves to her and have missed out on some of the blessings that catholicism says extends from Mary.
However, if Mary is not who catholicism says she is then the err of worshipping someone other than Christ and attributing to that person Christlike qualities is in violation of Scripture and is a sin.
"Abilities of Christ"? How so?
There is no such phrase as: "ad homonyms".
From Dictionary.com:
hom-o-nym [hom-uh-nim]
noun
1. Phonetics. a word pronounced the same as another but differing in meaning, whether spelled the same way or not, as heir and air; a homophone (def 1).
2. a word that is both a homophone and a homograph, that is, exactly the same as another in sound and spelling but different in meaning, as chase “to pursue” and chase “to ornament metal.”.
3. (loosely) a word of the same written form as another but of different meaning and usually origin, whether pronounced the same way or not, as bear “to carry; support” and bear “animal” or lead “to conduct” and lead “metal;” a homograph.
4. Obsolete. a namesake.
5. Biology. a name given to a species or genus that has already been assigned to a different species or genus and that is therefore rejected.
The Latin phrase you were/ are actually looking for also from Dictionary.com:
ad ho-mi-nem [ad hom-uh-nuh m -nem, ahd‐]
adjective
1. appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.
2. attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.
Word Origin and History for ad ho-mi-nem c.1600, Latin, literally "to a man," from ad "to" (see ad- ) + hominem, accusative of homo "man" (see homunculus ).<>P> A perfect example is your comment:
Changing the meaning is so...typical. NOT a fluke, but at least there is consistency with your manner of debate.
"Abilities of Christ"? How so?
For example, if that woman was healed thanks to her belief in Him and that simply by touching Jesus' clothes she would be healed, well...what of the woman who carried not yet baby Jesus and gave birth to Him, raised and cared for Him, etc.?
Thank you, BTW I inadvertently left your name off when I said that AMPU was a protestant that was capable of intelligent discussion. My apologies for that oversight.
That line of reasoning is sad and pathetic at the same time.
the pastor might have pointed out that if 1,000 people ask the Holy Spirit to answer the same petition to each of them personally, and only one answer can be correct.......well, I think that you can figure out how many different interpretations that there would be...HENCE, protestantism. Catholics, on the other hand, realize that the Holy Spirit speaks mainly through the Catholic church and thus, they all get the same CORRECT answer......see how easy it is???
Do you have a button on your page that tells what post it refers to? I have a general rule that I only repost the comments if they are worth actually reposting.
I did think about it. The question stands: And....?
LOL.
I see I am still right on target.
that's twice in a row that you were wrong....
Sure does sound like John is saying we each have the Holy Spirit to help us. Didn't see it limited to just a "church".
John 14:16
I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
John 15:26
When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, 27and you will testify also, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
Ephesians 1:13-14
13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.
dude, if the Pacific were the target you'd miss.
Then keep thinking....or you've figured it out and don't want to admit to what the priest is saying.
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