Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
(That, of course is a "King James Version Only" kind of web site, and their unorthodox opinions are not shared by most scripture scholars today, including those scholars at "Bible Hub".)
RE;post 2656...you take all these wonderful verses out of the Bible that Catholicism gave you and then you try to say “see, they prove that Catholics are wrong”...how does that work???
No thanks. I have seen more than enough on tv. I want to get well enough to start going to my church again. It seems like when I get over one thing, several other ailments pop up. I am still having blood related disorders. One was little or no ferritin in my bone marrow. That makes red blood cells. I am iron and folic acid anemic and all of this caused a thyroid problem. Gosh, I forgot to go get my B12 shot on the 21st. Maybe I can walk in and the nurse can give it to,me. I told someone I am sick and tired of being sick and tired. All of this started about 2009. God is still the answer.
“The plain meaning of that passage is that Christ is in a certain sense like a door to the Father. That we are dealing with a metaphor is clear from context. For example, He uses a sequence of images: He is also a vine, and a shepherd.”
Woo Hoo! We agreed on something!
Your earlier claim is that Protestants did not accept the plain meaning of Scripture. In this instance, you do not either.
That is good, or you would be wrong.
Your argument is that both metaphor and context are needed to determine that Christ is not a literal door.
That is all I wondered, based on your earlier claim.
“When Christ says “This bread is my body” He is not teaching a parable, not explaining the metaphor, and in fact spends half the chapter 6 in John’s gospel to reinforce the literal meaning. So He means the Eucharist literally.”
This goes beyond the thread topic and would require a whole thread of its own to examine. We disagree, but I suggest we set this aside until a thread pops up.
“When St. James writes “you are not saved by faith alone” there is no possible allegorical meaning at all. Again, half the chapter is spent on that very subject. It is a doctrinal teaching, not some figure of speech.”
Again, beyond the thread topic. We disagree. You will never understand the argument of James, until you make an outline. You will have to include context, language, culture, etc. in order to make a good outline of his argument. I suggest we set this aside for the time until there is a thread.
In the meantime, I will savor the moment of agreement.
I am a United Methodist pastor. Ordained, from a major seminary, with 35 years of service including a career as a United Methodist endorsed active duty chaplain. I know what they’re saying. They’re using protestant in the vernacular.
They cannot change history. Methodism did NOT exist for 200 years after the Reformation. That’s fact.
Nor did Wesley intend a ‘methodist’ denomination. He intended a renewal movement with a moribund Anglican church, but an American Revolution moved it out of his hands and onto an entirely different continent. After that, the “Methodist” denomination arose.
And???
what a FANTASTIC imagination....good luck with that.
From what I've read, Scripture doesn't record all that Jesus did while he walked the Earth.
Are we to assume He only did the things that were recorded and nothing else? Did His miracles cease with His death?
If Jesus begins His with 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment' and #5 from the Big 10 is to honor your mother and your father, what of Jesus' mother?
How would He honor her? What would He and the Father convey upon her? Is her part in our story over or does she still have things to do? Does she have anything to do with the two witnesses of Revelation?
For me, I don't have any real trouble thinking she is what is said of her and her task is as I wrote.
It's easy for me to believe in an unlimited, all powerful Triune God, so all I've read about Mary is not a leap of faith for me, but is rather easy to understand as a part of the Grand Plan.
If I'm wrong, I'm still waiting for the experts' answer regarding my fate.
But if I'm right, what of those who get it wrong and work so hard against? How would God, whose ways are not our ways, view this? Are there consequences? Still waiting on that answer as well.
Thanks anyway.
good way to view yourself. I recommend that you start at the top, that would be Catholicism....read about it, study it and certainly attend Mass in a few different parishes.That's just to avoid being swayed by an uninspiring Homily.
Once you're convinced that you know what's going on and what the Church teaches, and has taught for 20 centuries, then feel free to explore those denominations which, for whatever reasons, they each decided to seek their own concept of what Christianity is.....It shouldn't take more than a few months to discover the truth.
yeah, right.......snicker
You can spend all the time you want on some debate about whether it should be there or not. I CARE NOT NOR WAS IT PERTINENT TO THE POINT I WAS MAKING. I hope that makes it clearer.
Perhaps you're right, but there are certainly causalities, just like in any war.
Not only with the Catholic/Protestant war in places like Northern Ireland, but with people everywhere who get disgusted with it and them and then reject the God and belief system that makes them both fight so much.
All too often, those who claim to be His and claim to follow His teachings are among the worst examples. You definitely can't tell they're Christians by watching or listening to them fight with or talk about each other.
Easy:
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Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? (Luke 1:42-43)
Blessed is the womb that bore thee, and the paps that But he said: Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it. (Luke 11:27-28)
Salute ye every saint in Christ Jesus. The brethren who are with me, salute you. (Phil. 4:21-22, many similar in the letters of Paul)
Same thing, as someone is to request the prayer-FOR; that is the prayer-TO.
That is the Catholic teaching: one is to refer to the Holy Scripture often, study it and obey it, for it is the inspired word of God. There are very many references in the Bible to that effect. What is not in the bible is a statement that the Bible is a complete rule of faith and the Church of Christ is not necessary to interpret the Scripture and teach beyond it as necessary.
No, because in that passage and the next Paul said body and blood is there to be discerned.
Everyone is now taking turn asking the same question?
The two foundational counterscriptural errors of Protestantism are the “Sola Scriptura” and “Sola Fide”. Neither is in the scripture and the scripture teaches the opposite, plainly. Form Matthew 16 we learn that the Church is the complete rule of faith; from James 2 we learn that men are not saved by faith alone.
If you don’t get it by reading them, no explanation is going to work.
The Holy Spirit is the only one who can give you eyes to see.
Simple fact. Thank you.
“I recommend that you start at the top, that would be Catholicism”
I suggest you avoid anyone who does not recognize CHRIST above all.
Start with Him. He will guide you through His Word and His Spirit.
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