Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

The bible notes she is blessed among women. She is the mother of Jesus. She was faithful to God. She loved her Son.

The Bible ascribes no other attributes to her as the catholic Church has.

. These man made titles include co-redeemer, mediatrix, she is the sole source of all things for the Catholic Church, she has been placed on the highest summit in Heaven and I could go on.

There is zero biblical support for these attributes assigned by cathlocism.

Duncan,

The road is wide that leads to death and many find it.

Another strawman Catholic-bashing thread, hidden as specious argumentation.

The thread opens with: "The reason for this article is to determine.....", yet there is no link to any article. This is a vanity post with only one objective, to attack Catholics. It is replete with a total misunderstanding of the term "worship"; hence the ignorant attack.

Catholics do not worship anyone but God. The term "worship" was used in the same way in the Bible that it used to be used in English. It could cover both the adoration given to God alone and the honor that is to be shown to certain human beings. In Hebrew, the term for worship is shakhah. It is appropriately used for humans in a large number of passages.

In Genesis 49:2-27, Jacob pronounced a prophetic blessing on his sons, and concerning Judah he stated: "Judah, your brothers shall praise you; your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies; your father’s sons shall worship [shakhah] you (49:8)." And in Exodus 18:7, Moses honored his father-in-law, Jethro: "Moses went out to meet his father-in-law, and worshiped [shakhah] him and kissed him; and they asked each other of their welfare, and went into the tent."

Yet none of these passages were discussing the worship of adoration, the kind of worship given to God.

People who do not know better sometimes say that Catholics worship statues. Not only is this untrue, it is even untrue that Catholics honor statues. After all, a statue is nothing but a carved block of marble or a chunk of plaster, and no one gives honor to marble yet unquarried or to plaster still in the mixing bowl.

The fact that someone kneels before a statue to pray does not mean that he is praying to the statue, just as the fact that someone kneels with a Bible in his hands to pray does not mean that he is worshiping the Bible. Statues or paintings or other artistic devices are used to recall to the mind the person or thing depicted. Just as it is easier to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it is easier to recall the lives of the saints by looking at representations of them.

The use of statues and icons for liturgical purposes (as opposed to idols) also had a place in the Old Testament. In Exodus 25:18–20, God commanded: "And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece with the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be."

In Numbers 21:8–9, he told Moses: "‘Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.’ So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live." This shows the actual ceremonial use of a statue (looking to it) in order to receive a blessing from God (healing from snakebite). In John 3:14, Jesus tells us that he himself is what the bronze serpent represented, so it was a symbolic representation of Jesus. There was no problem with this statue—God had commanded it to be made—so long as people did not worship it. When they did, the righteous king Hezekiah had it destroyed (2 Kgs. 18:4). This clearly shows the difference between the proper religious use of statues and idolatry.

When the time came to build the Temple in Jerusalem, God inspired David’s plans for it, which included "his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing from the hand of the Lord concerning it, all the work to be done according to the plan" (1 Chr. 28:18–19).

In obedience to this divinely inspired plan, Solomon built two gigantic, golden statues of cherubim: "In the most holy place he made two cherubim of wood and overlaid them with gold. The wings of the cherubim together extended twenty cubits: one wing of the one, of five cubits, touched the wall of the house, and its other wing, of five cubits, touched the wing of the other cherub; and of this cherub, one wing, of five cubits, touched the wall of the house, and the other wing, also of five cubits, was joined to the wing of the first cherub. The wings of these cherubim extended twenty cubits; the cherubim stood on their feet, facing the nave. And he made the veil of blue and purple and crimson fabrics and fine linen, and worked cherubim on it" (2 Chr. 3:10–14).

Bottom line, honoring Mary and/or the saints who are alive, is perfectly biblical. Jesus Christ is the one Mediator of man and God the Father, the only Person whose Blood saves us; but the most effective and beautiful way to Jesus is through the imitation of Mary and beseeching her to pray for us.

Where is the Vanity marker at the end of the title line?

You attempt to win your argument by redefining the Church’s distinction of latria, the respect honor and obedience due to God alone, confusing it with the respect due to those especially worthy persons we call saints.
The claim that Mary is unable to help anyone because she is dead is unscriptural (Lk 20, Jn12, Mt 17:3) and defies history (Lepanto, Guadelupe, Fatima).

The word "transubstantiation" is not in the Bible that I am aware of, but a passage it summarizes certainly is:

From KJV, Gospel of Matthew, as an example:

22And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. 23And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it. 24And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

For the same reason you go to the farm or the grocery store to get your food.

For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink John 6:55

Your little games won’t help you when you are standing before His throne.

Read a little farther down in that letter. You left out what many consider a miracle. The Rosary is a very powerful prayer. Try it sometime.

Our Lady of Victory, Pray for Us.

Hmmmm....Can you find the word, “Trinity” in the Bible?

Nope...But I can find the Trinity in the bible...A new Eve is not to be found...

Therein lies a completely false premise that you must go somewhere to find God, you must talk through a priest or Mary to get answers, etc.

You’re being deceived.

Did you see my first posting to this thread?

I am sick and tired of the anti-Catholic postings on this web site and choose to stick up for my beliefs.

None of us Catholic’s are interested in the incessant prattle about our church under the guise of “ We care about your soul .” Do you people learn this behavior and your hatred of our church at a young age? Is it a requirement for membership in whatever denomination you belong to?

We do not care what you believe. We do not care what you do on Sunday. Don’t you understand that?

Worry about yourself. Improve yourself if need be but leave us alone.

Where is the Vanity marker at the end of the title line?

Where is it on Catholic threads? The beam in thy eye may dim thy vision.

Catholics are only required to believe in the Virgin birth of Christ, Mary was born without Original Sin(The Father wanted a pure mother for His Son),and her Assumption into Heaven like Elijah and Enoch. Her extraordinary titles are honorarium, I need not follow them (even though I would not disparage them)to be a faithful Catholic since we are a Christ focused Church(obviously you don’t agree with this but I would point out our belief in the Real Presence of Christ in Communion because of John 6) also Mary is nothing if not for her Son.
Have a Merry Christmas and I hope you remain a faithful Protestant, I truly believe you love Christ.

God the father is everywhere yes.

To receive the very real and living blood of Christ Jesus God’s son I must attend mass. Can I find God without it yes, but I will be malnourished and so will you.

For my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink John 6:555

Judge not lest ye be judged.

Veneration of dear Mary - and the accompanying false teachings of perpetual virginity, immaculate conception, assumption, etc. - makes her into a demigod.

She deserves better.
She is to be honored, not made an idol.
She is most blessed by God as bearer of Messiah.
She is most blessed among women - not over women.

The word "transubstantiation" is not in the Bible that I am aware of, but a passage it summarizes certainly is:

From KJV, Gospel of Matthew, as an example:

22And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. 23And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it. 24And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

Eze 3:1 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.
Eze 3:2 So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.
Eze 3:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness.

So there's the transubstantiation of the bible...Why do your priests not pass out pages of the bible to eat during your Mass???

I know exactly why they don't...

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