[Mrs. Don-o]

Beinst that all of the "modernist" changes that torpedoed into the Church post-Vat 2 were foisted on the faithful by "theologians" who knew better than the "benighted laitythentic, consulting the laity may not be a bad thing.The faithful Catholics are more conservative that the kind of theologians who are "... just making their own pronouncements on hot-button issues" (FTA).

The gibberish in the middle of this paragraph (posted by me) is where a huge chunk was deleted by my computer. I know not how: dern technoogy may be demon-infested. Anyhow, wha I wanted to say was this:

Beinst that all of the "modernist" changes that torpedoed into the Church post-Vat 2 were foisted on the faithful by "theologians" who knew better than the "benighted laity," asking ordinary faithful rosary-and holy-card-Catholics what they consider to be auhentic, unchanging Catholic doctrines could yield some heartening results. It wasn't laity marching and chanting in 1968 that brought us the hugely destructive scandal of dissent on Humanae Vitae: it was the despicable Fr. Charlie Curran and the faithless faculty of Catholic University of America. So consulting the laity may not be a bad idea. Ruffing off of the famous Buckley quote, I would rather be schooled in Catholicism by the fiirst 50 people through the doors for 7:00 a.m. and 8:30 a.m. Daily Mass than by the Catholic Theological Society of America.

[mlizzy]

Ruffing off of the famous Buckley quote, I would rather be schooled in Catholicism by the fiirst 50 people through the doors for 7:00 a.m. and 8:30 a.m. Daily Mass than by the Catholic Theological Society of America.

Hadn't heard that before; that's great!

[livius]

If I thought that’s what he meant - or the type of laity he had in mind - I’d be happy. But I don’t think that, unfortunately.

Vatican II was imposed mainly by the power of a tiny group in the Vatican. They crushed priests and bishops right away, because they had direct authority over them.

And while the laypeople seriously objected to many of the changes, particularly to the Mass and the calendar, they were not very unified - blogs and bulletin boards did not exist, and there was little way of communicating, either with the clergy or with other laypeople. But things have changed, and I think the “progressive” forces in the Vatican may be surprised this time around.