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To: ealgeone

And if you would read the Early Church Fathers (since they knew Jesus and the Apostles) you would find out that Mary had no other children.


80 posted on 11/29/2014 9:43:14 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

And if they were all in 100% agreement you might have a case. But they’re not. They’re all over the board on this, Peter being the first pope and all the other things discussed on this board. The only consistent thing about the ECFs is their inconsistency.


81 posted on 11/29/2014 9:49:03 AM PST by ealgeone
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And if you would read the Early Church Fathers (since they knew Jesus and the Apostles) you would find out that Mary had no other children.

You've made several errors in this statement.

1) the ECFs (not counting the original Apostles) did not know Jesus. He was long dead (from an earthly perspective c33 AD ) before they showed up.

2) most of the Apostles were dead before the ECFs were born

3) Mary did have other children.

•Matthew 13:55--"Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?"

So if James, Joseph, Simon and Judas are not His brothers then who is Mary? Who is the carpenter's son?

What does Paul have to say on this matter?

Galatians 1:18-20

Then three years later I went up to Jerusalem to become acquainted with Cephas, and stayed with him fifteen days. 19But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord’s brother. 20(Now in what I am writing to you, I assure you before God that I am not lying.)

Paul says he's not lying....so somebody else must be. You gonna call Paul a liar when he so clearly identifies James as the brother of Christ????

Or we have the good doctor writing in Acts 1:12-14

12Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day’s journey away. 13When they had entered the city, they went up to the upper room where they were staying; that is, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon the Zealot, and Judas the son of James. 14These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.

I can't wait to see how the catholic spin machine handles this.

162 posted on 12/03/2014 7:23:40 PM PST by ealgeone
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