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To: vladimir998
>> “If such is true, then it is evident that the Church is without foundation as Peter is dead.”
>
> That’s an illogical conclusion. Peter was the foundation. He served his purpose. The Church continues even though Peter no longer is here.

You apparently have never been part of an architectural endeavor: removing the foundation of a structure will destroy the structure.

>> “To assert otherwise is to assert that this rock can [and does] change, that is what the apostolic succession means in functional terms.”
>
> No. It is not change, but continuity. All the popes espouse the same faith in their official capacity as pope.

And what faith is that? That they are the pope, the foundation of the Church?
Behold the power of wishy thinking!

Thus, continuity.

Peter and Adam are dead, thus continuity!
Really, that's ridiculous — but it's your assertion: that the church is founded on a man who is dead.
My assertion is that it is founded on the Jesus, God in human flesh, who died to pay for my sins and now lives.

Which do you think would be the recipe for a living church? To be founded on a dead man who could not save himself, or to be founded on the Living God who saved many?

There is no change in the faith. Apostolic Succession does not mean change.

By definition, it does: Apostolic succession is the method whereby the ministry of the Christian Church is held to be derived from the apostles by a continuous succession, which has usually been associated with a claim that the succession is through a series of bishops.

If they were not different they could not be successors.

39 posted on 11/09/2014 5:49:34 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

“Peter and Adam are dead, thus continuity!”

No, Peter and successors - thus continuity.

“Really, that’s ridiculous — but it’s your assertion: that the church is founded on a man who is dead.”

No, it is a fact that Christ founded the Church on Peter - and many Protestant exegetes agree.

“My assertion is that it is founded on the Jesus, God in human flesh, who died to pay for my sins and now lives.”

Jesus says Peter. I believe Him. You don’t.

“Which do you think would be the recipe for a living church?”

Whatever Jesus says.

“To be founded on a dead man who could not save himself, or to be founded on the Living God who saved many?”

To be founded however God said it was going to be. He said Peter. Peter it is.

“By definition, it does: Apostolic succession is the method whereby the ministry of the Christian Church is held to be derived from the apostles by a continuous succession, which has usually been associated with a claim that the succession is through a series of bishops.”

Continuous succession - you said those words. That’s the point.

“If they were not different they could not be successors.”

If there was no continuity there were no successors. You lost this debate already. Your own language has defeated you.


44 posted on 11/09/2014 6:12:17 PM PST by vladimir998
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