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To: walkinginthedesert; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; ...
Many Protestants thus while acknowledging both the reality regarding the perfection of the Sacrifice at Calvary, and also acknowledging the reality that Christ abolished the Old Testament sacrifices of the Jews, end up at a false conclusion. They conclude that because the Sacrifice of Calvary is perfect and because it is thus the fulfillment of all the Old Testament sacrifices, that Christ himself abolished the need for any more sacrifices. This is clearly not true. We should thus ask ourselves, did God in rejecting the Jewish oblations (sacrifices) or even in fulfilling them, deem or intend to abolish all sacrifices altogether? Rather Christ rejected and even fulfilled the Old Testament sacrifices, namely because they were simply types or prefigurements for the perfect sacrifice of God Himself, which we commemorate in a real way in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

Christ never rejected the sacrifices. He did fulfill them, though, and yes, they did point to Him.

But nobody takes his life, He lays it down of His own accord.

Jesus sacrifice was once for all. It is finished, a done deal.

There is no more need for any other sacrifice and His is not a continuing one.

He is not now being sacrificed forever in heaven. In heaven He is now seated at the right hand of the Father, interceding for us and waiting for His enemies to be made His footstool.

The Holy Spirit in Scripture tells us plainly what Jesus is doing in heaven, and it's not eternally being slain.

His death is done, the payment made. There's no longer any more need for any sacrifices.

Acts 2:32-36 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”’ Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

Acts 5:30-31 The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

Ephesians 1:15-23 For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love toward all the saints, I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

Ephesians 2:4-6 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

Colossians 3:1 If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Romans 8:34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

Hebrews 1:1-4 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.

Hebrews 9:11-17 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

Hebrews 8:1-2 Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, a minister in the holy places, in the true tent that the Lord set up, not man.

Hebrews 9:24-28 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Hebrews 10:8-14 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Hebrews 10:15-18 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

Hebrews 12:1-2 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

1 Peter 3:21-22 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

7 posted on 11/09/2014 12:58:19 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom; Iscool

How many times does Paul call Christ “a priest forever of the order of Melchizedek”?

Not a continuing sacrifice you say? A priest forever, folks, means a priest forever. It doesn’t mean a priest once in 33 A.D. and then sit back and rest on your laurels for eternity. A priest’s job is to offer sacrifice. If Christ is a priest forever, then He is offering forever.

And the manner of His offering Paul specifies in the reference to Melchizedek. What did Melchizedek offer? Bread and wine.

So we have Christ offering an eternal sacrifice that somehow involves a mystical linkage between the cross and bread and wine. Now we go back to the Institution narratives and remember that Our Lord Himself made this explicit link at the Last Supper when he held aloft bread and wine and called it His Body and Blood, the very blood that would be shed the next day.


9 posted on 11/09/2014 4:28:05 AM PST by Claud
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To: metmom
Everything you stated Is biblically correct and theologically sound. While scripture makes it abundantly clear that a sacrifice of bloof is absolutely necessary for the forgiveness of sin; scripture, it also says that the "once for all (time)" blood sacrifice offered by the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross at Calvary was and is all sufficient to pay for the sin of all mankind for all of human history. Romans 4:25 clearly states the resurrection of Christ from the dead is the penultimate proof that God the Father was and is completely satisfied with and by that one, all sufficient, never to be repeated sacrifice of Christ on Calvary.

There is no longer any sacrifice for sin, God's wrath against sin is totally appeased by the propitiation of Christ and the work of salvation through the one blood sacrifice of Chrust is complete and finished as is indicated by the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ is now "seated at the right hand of God", thus indicating a completed work.

Christ has totally fulfilled all of the righteous requirements of the Olt Testament Law, There is no longer a need for any additional sacrifices, including the so-called "sacrifice of the Mass" or any other supposed sacrifice for sin. Neither is there any longer a need for any so called "priest" to act as a mediator or to offer sacrifice in behalf of any man because the Lord Jesus Christ alone is our "Great High Priest", seated in heaven at the right hand of God, and He alone "ever lives to make intercession for us"

there is no linger any need for "mass", or priest, or for any sacrifice for sin because Jesus paid for it all and accomplished it all through His one sacrifice at Calvary. Everything and anything else is a lie of man and Satan, designed to deceive mankind in order to prevent them from coming to saving faith in Christ by Grace alone through faith alone, totally apart from works

11 posted on 11/09/2014 4:35:12 AM PST by Jmouse007 (Deliver us from this evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: metmom

What is there in “Do this in memory of me” that is so hard to comprehend? The words are so simple a 4 year child can understand it. Now one more time, nice and slow, and let it sink in.........

DO THIS.........IN MEMORY..........OF ME.


22 posted on 11/09/2014 8:11:25 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("PRO FIDE, PRO UTILITATE HOMINUM")
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To: metmom
Christ never rejected the sacrifices. He did fulfill them, though, and yes, they did point to Him. But nobody takes his life, He lays it down of His own accord. Jesus sacrifice was once for all. It is finished, a done deal. There is no more need for any other sacrifice and His is not a continuing one. He is not now being sacrificed forever in heaven. In heaven He is now seated at the right hand of the Father, interceding for us and waiting for His enemies to be made His footstool. The Holy Spirit in Scripture tells us plainly what Jesus is doing in heaven, and it's not eternally being slain. His death is done, the payment made. There's no longer any more need for any sacrifices.

AMEN, metmom!

23 posted on 11/09/2014 8:12:00 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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