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Prosperity Preaching Is Not Christian (Osteen)
DFW Catholic ^ | 11.5.2014 | Vincent Ryan Ruggiero

Posted on 11/05/2014 5:18:11 PM PST by Gamecock

Pastor Joel Osteen’s TV ad announcing his new show on Sirius Radio begins with the promise, “We can have victory every single day.” Next come scenes of his pastoral team on stage during a church service, followed by a long shot of the congregation that looks as if it was filmed in the Super Bowl with every seat filled. (He reportedly has the largest congregation in the United States.)

Finally, he comes back on screen and declares to the audience, “There is a power in you greater than any power that comes against you.”

After seeing the ad for about the 200th time, I sent the following email message to some friends:

I’ve seen the Osteen ad many, many times and my reaction has been the same each time—I have felt a powerful urge to convert . . . . . . to Buddhism!

What made me descend to such curmudgeonly pique? Was it because Osteen’s face appears locked in a smile that shouts “insincere” (at least to me) or because he and his wife call to mind the 1970s and 80s preaching duo of unhappy memory, Jim and Tammy Bakker? Was it because Osteen’s trademark black hair is beautifully coiffed and boasts innumerable curls in the back? Might I be jealous of that?

The honest answer to all three questions is “yes.” But there is another, more substantive reason for my negative reaction. It is that Osteen’s message is presumptuous and misleading, not to mention smarmy and glib. (I know, I know, smarminess and glibness are not serious flaws, so let’s put them aside.)

First, presumptuous. The line “you have power in you greater than any power that can come against you” obviously refers to more than simple talent and potential and probably to more than being created in the image and likeness of God. The most likely intended meaning is the gift of the Holy Spirit that Christians call grace.

The problem, however, is his notion that this “power” (grace) is automatically in us by virtue of our being alive. In contrast, Christianity teaches that grace is a gift that God gives us but does not force upon us. We either accept it or reject it, and that choice determines whether we experience its power. This crucial fact Osteen seems to ignore when he presumes that everyone possesses grace automatically.

Now let’s consider misleading. At the heart of Osteen’s message is the promise of daily success in life: “We can have victory every single day.” Surely he is not referring to the victory of being received into paradise, which comes only once (if we are lucky), after death. What then does he mean? I consulted Osteen’s website for the answer and found this:

You have been blessed for unprecedented success. God has healing with your name on it, new dreams with your name on it [sic], promotions with your name on it [sic]. You are a child of Almighty God. He has already gone before you and lined up promotion, victory, and favor in your life.

With the exception of healing, these things come under the heading “worldly success,” so that is what Osteen must mean by “victory.” Oddly, however, he denies that this is his meaning. For example, he has said, “If prosperity means God wants us to be blessed and healthy and have good relationships then yes, I’m a prosperity teacher. But if it’s about money, no, I never preach about money . . .”

Osteen is being disingenuous. His themes may technically not be about money, but they are about “promotion,” “favor,” “abundance,” etc., so they might as well be about money. Consider a more specific example from Osteen’s Message # 619, “It’s Already Yours”:

Psalm 8:5 says, “You have crowned him with favor and honor.” What does this mean for you today? It means right now, there are blessings with your name on them—healing, promotion, good breaks, houses, businesses, contracts—that already belong to you. The question is, when are you going to go get what’s already yours? [Bold added]

The word “money” doesn’t appear in this passage, but the words in bold certainly stand for financial success and that spells financial prosperity, also known as money.

At this point readers who embrace Osteen’s “prosperity gospel” would no doubt respond “What’s wrong with saying God rewards those who love him with prosperity?” My first impulse is to respond, “If there is nothing wrong with the prosperity gospel, why is Osteen so determined not to be associated with it?” But here is a more meaningful response:

What is wrong with prosperity preaching is that it grossly distorts the Christian message.

To begin with, Isaiah didn’t prophesy a prosperous Christ but a suffering servant who would be “despised and forsaken of men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; and like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.” (Isaiah 53: 3)

Then, too, Jesus was born in a stable and lived a modest life with Mary and Joseph, so it is a reasonable assumption that neither Joseph nor Jesus was the sort of carpenter whose work brought that age’s equivalent of Ethan Allen or Thomasville prices.

In the most famous of all sermons, Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount, not a single one of the blessings mentioned suggests daily victory of any kind, let alone financial victory. They speak instead of daily spiritual stress, mourning, hunger, and persecution. The fact that Jesus called those who suffer these burdens “blessed” is best understood as a promise of eventual consolation or reward beyond this vale of tears.

The only place in Scripture where Jesus and prosperity are mentioned together is when Satan offers it to Him—“The devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. ‘All this I will give you,’ he said, ‘if you will bow down and worship me.’” (Matthew 4: 8-9) In rejecting Satan’s offer Jesus did not condemn prosperity, to be sure, but He certainly didn’t laud it either.

Jesus did, of course, tell his disciples that they could achieve anything if they had sufficient faith. For example, he said that they could move a mountain. (Matthew 21: 21-22) But in the next breath He added that the way to do so is to “ask in prayer, believing,” underscoring that the power obviously resides in God rather than in us.

Jesus often reminded his disciples that the way to follow him was to deny themselves and take up their crosses every day. (Matthew 10:38 and 16:24, Luke 9:23, Luke 14: 27 and 18:18-22) The references to crosses obviously did not concern daily victories but, on the contrary, disappointments and sufferings. In our time those would include unemployment, accidents, the wounds of war, deadly diseases, emotional disorders, and the infirmities of old age.

Jesus provided the supreme example of suffering courageously as He prayed, sweating blood, in the Garden of Gethsemane, was mercilessly scourged at the pillar and humiliated by the Roman soldiers, crowned with thorns, and nailed to a cross. Moreover, in the final throes of suffocation and exsanguination, He felt forsaken by God.

Down through the centuries, the message that has framed the Christian perspective on living has been Jesus’ words, “take up your cross and follow me.” His disciples were the first to do so, and every one of them suffered a violent death. The early Christians were required to practice their faith in secret or face imprisonment and death. And Christian martyrdom continues in our time. In 2013 alone, 2,123 Christians were murdered for practicing their faith.

Promising daily victory and worldly success insults all those who maintain their faith in Jesus despite suffering and disappointment. Rather than raising their spirits and giving them hope, it tempts them to think, “If I am not prospering, maybe God doesn’t love me.” Worse, it tempts the wealthy and successful to believe that they really are more virtuous and deserving than the poor and thus to adopt the attitude of the Pharisee: “God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.” (Luke: 18:11)

Whenever I hear Osteen or others preach the prosperity gospel, I am reminded of Jesus’ advice to the young man who lived honorably and wondered what more he could do to achieve an even better spiritual state. Jesus did not tell him to claim and enjoy the first century equivalent of “promotion[s], good breaks, houses, businesses, contracts.” Instead, he advised him to “go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” (Mark 10: 21-22)

The prosperity gospel is understandably appealing in this self-absorbed age, but because it replaces the cross with a dollar sign, it bears no resemblance to the Gospel of Jesus.


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To: semaj; Gamecock
semaj, as far as I know this website does not have any exclusive theological creed.

You'll notice the Religion Forum posting topics accommodate articles of interest to:

Catholic: Latin rite, Eastern rites

Charismatic Christian: Assemblies of God, pentecostalism, charismatic movement etc.

Eastern Religions: Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Taoism, etc.

Evangelical Christian: Baptist, sola scriptura, non-denominational, independent fundamentalist Bible believers, etc.

Islam: Sunni, Shiite, Sufism, Wahhabism, etc.

Judaism: Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist, Karaite, etc.

Mainline Protestant: Anglican, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, UCC, etc.

Orthodox Christian: Greek, Russian, Armenian, Antiochian etc.

Other Christian: 7th Day Adventist, Churches of God, Messianic Christians, Unitarian, LDS, etc.

Other non-Christian: Baha'i, Zoroastrianism, animism, Wicca, etc.

Skeptics/Seekers: Agnosticism, atheism, secular humanism, etc.

I think I even caught sight of a Swedenborgian, once.

It looks broad enough to accommodate the interests of Osteen-ites. I am not by any means an Osteen-ite, but I like FR's open approach.

21 posted on 11/05/2014 6:30:31 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Gamecock

Thanks for this. I don’t remember Jesus saying, “Take up thy electric blanket and follow Me.”


22 posted on 11/05/2014 6:33:12 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Old Yeller
"...the lies are fairly obvious. Only the naive and self-motivated buy into them..."

Kind of a sweeping generalization for the vast majority of Christians over the past 2,000 years, isn't it?

23 posted on 11/05/2014 6:34:47 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: ealgeone

“Same could be said about catholicism with its false teachings on Mary, indulgences, etc.”

It’s only false “teachings” if you are a Protestant and think you can skip over 1500 years of Catholicism with its teachings and traditions, and then pick up on Christianity at the point of the Reformation and then claim it, and the Catholic bible as your own.

Then you cherry pick the parts of the bible you like, write a new version minus certain chapters, and claim sola scriptura after copping off with another religion’s (Catholic) bible and claiming you have the one true way. What conceit.

Then the new Protestant religions break up into hundreds of other Protestant religions until most are so watered down as to become mere shadows of the one true Christian religion (Catholicism) that they all cloned off of. And of course one man’s sola scriptura (interpretation of God’s word in the bible) is different from the next sect’s interpretation of the bible, until you have thousands of interpretations of a bible that wasn’t even initially (for 1500 years) yours.


24 posted on 11/05/2014 6:35:09 PM PST by flaglady47 (The useful idiots always go first)
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To: ealgeone

“Same could be said about catholicism with its false teachings on Mary, indulgences, etc.”

It’s only false “teachings” if you are a Protestant and think you can skip over 1500 years of Catholicism with its teachings and traditions, and then pick up on Christianity at the point of the Reformation and then claim it, and the Catholic bible as your own.

Then you cherry pick the parts of the bible you like, write a new version minus certain chapters, and claim sola scriptura after copping off with another religion’s (Catholic) bible and claiming you have the one true way. What conceit.

Then the new Protestant religions break up into hundreds of other Protestant religions until most are so watered down as to become mere shadows of the one true Christian religion (Catholicism) that they all cloned off of. And of course one man’s sola scriptura (interpretation of God’s word in the bible) is different from the next sect’s interpretation of the bible, until you have thousands of interpretations of a bible that wasn’t even initially (for 1500 years) yours.


25 posted on 11/05/2014 6:35:28 PM PST by flaglady47 (The useful idiots always go first)
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To: flaglady47

Wow, so much revisionist history there while totally being unable to defend the false teachings.


26 posted on 11/05/2014 6:42:49 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: jimmyray; Gamecock; ealgeone
Catholics err for they do not know the scriptures,

They much do but the OP is not a Catholic (see his home page).

27 posted on 11/05/2014 6:46:11 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Sasparilla
Interesting too that nowhere in the bible is there a mention of an infallible Pope.

The bible doesn't mention biblical inerrancy either.

28 posted on 11/05/2014 6:47:00 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: Old Yeller

It always amazes me how willing some are to sow discontent in Christ, rather than unity in Christ. As He said, he willed that all of His be as one, just as He is one with the Father.

I say this as a father of a strident Catholic son, and the father of a strident Protestant preacher — both of whom deliver themselves daily in sacrifice to the mission bestowed upon them by their Lord no Svior, Jesus Christ OUR Lord.

Get over the divisions people. It is not what Christ wanted for us. Together, we will have enough faith to move mountains. Apart,,,,well, that is what Satan desires.


29 posted on 11/05/2014 6:49:09 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

Lord And Savior....thanks, ipad.


30 posted on 11/05/2014 6:49:59 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
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To: JSDude1

Agreed. The guuywho post osteen crap everyday needs a good whack on the side of the head with this article. I am not catholic but all the authors arguments arevalid. How can fr let that guy post osteen gibberish everyday and not let anyone comment about it but then remove or ban others who do less.? There’s a point that u have to start questioning frs sincerity in truth.


31 posted on 11/05/2014 6:51:56 PM PST by Deathtomarxists (It walks up stairs all over in pairs it makes a whispering sound, its obama's stinky slinky)
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To: daniel1212
QUOTE: "They much do but the OP is not a Catholic (see his home page)."

I was referring to the author of the article, Vincent Ryan Ruggiero, who I concluded was RC because the article was on "DFW Catholic.ORG".

32 posted on 11/05/2014 6:53:52 PM PST by jimmyray
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To: Poison Pill
QUOTE: "The bible doesn't mention biblical inerrancy either."

Really?

2 Timothy 3:16 - All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Can scripture be God-breathed and errant?

33 posted on 11/05/2014 6:57:43 PM PST by jimmyray
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
Get over the divisions people.

John 14:2 (King James Version): "In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."

Many people feel that 14:2 is saying that there is room for all who believe. I agree with that, and I agree with you.

34 posted on 11/05/2014 7:06:53 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Poison Pill
QUOTE: "...mention of an infallible Pope."

Rather, Jesus SPECIFICALLY forbade us from calling anyone on earth Father, or by extension, Pope. (Pope: Latin for papa, father)

Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

The only one with authority to write scripture and declare unknown truth in Jesus Christ, our Rabbi and High Priest, and God our Father. The only head of the church, his body, is Jesus Christ, not some earthly 'vicar'.

35 posted on 11/05/2014 7:07:43 PM PST by jimmyray
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To: JSDude1
And he always posts with the warning of some religion mod that debate on devotional threads isn't allowed.

People who are afraid of debate know their position is indefensible.

36 posted on 11/05/2014 7:17:04 PM PST by LouAvul (If government is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.)
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To: jimmyray
Can scripture be God-breathed and errant?

What is the smallest of all seeds?

37 posted on 11/05/2014 7:18:49 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: Poison Pill
QUOTE: "What is the smallest of all seeds?"

That was planted by a (esp. 1st century) farmer in the whole world that grew into a tree large enough to support bird nests? Probably a Mustard seed, but that's just a guess. :)

It's a proverbial statement, a parable.

38 posted on 11/05/2014 7:45:49 PM PST by jimmyray
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

You’re flippin’ awesome. Thanks.


39 posted on 11/05/2014 7:48:10 PM PST by Mathews (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV), Luke 22:36 (NIV))
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To: Poison Pill
While you search the scriptures for other "errors", you miss the point of the parable. For "With many similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand." Mark 4:33.

What good would it be for Jesus to refer to Orchid seeds that his audience had never seen, or could have discerned with unaided eyesight, and in which birds could not nest? The parable would be rendered irrelevant.

40 posted on 11/05/2014 7:53:43 PM PST by jimmyray
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