Posted on 11/02/2014 3:14:08 PM PST by NYer
Silly game.
I thought you might be above the games.
FYI...Our FRoman friends are playing word games.
Yes, they have massive difficulty with days.
Scripture is not a game, how dare you insult he word of God. I am personally offended that you would make light of the literal word of God.
You post catholic dogma to counter the word of God?
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“encapsulated”
This is my point - there are doctrines “encapsulated’ that are not explicity named. Many Catholic martyrs died defending the heresy of Arianism, which questioned the Trinitarian concept of Christ’s Divinity - of course we are the foundation of the doctrine of the Trinity.
This is also my point. Non catholics need to stop bashing catholcis because they have no clue as to what we actually believe vs. what they have been told FALSELY that we believe.
“Traditions backed up by Scripture...”
All of Catholic traditions are backed up by Scripture; they predated scripture, as a matter of fact. There are scriptural proof texts for all of them. You can go to the apologetics websites yourself rather than asking me to cut and paste.
The defense for Catholic theology is sound and it is IN SCRIPTURE.
“...woman of St. John is Israel ...”
The woman in Revelation is Mary, now in Heaven. The early Christians ALL knew and understood this. The bible is richly layered with meaning - which you would know since anyone who reads it knows this - and it can also mean Israel too, because Israel “birthed” Jesus as did Mary as well.
The literal meaning (Mary is the woman) is primary, however, as John saw an actual woman, not a metaphorical nation.
The book of Revelation is the catholic mass liturgy taking place in heaven (it is the same as the mass). All of the early Christians understood this as well, since they ALL participated in the liturgy (eucharist) - that was the way to worship - there was no other “service”.
Protestants do not understand Revelation because they are blind to what is being revealed - the heavenly mass taking place in the New Jerusalem. Unless they convert, they never will even if they read it a thousand times. The Protestant attempts to explain Revelation in a geopolitical sense (modern cities, rulers, etc.) fail because they do not understand what is being revealed - the liturgy in heaven.
Of Course! the woman is Mary and The Lamb (Jesus as victim, the sacrificial lamb who has replaced the Temple animals is highly figured) is Jesus as former victim who has now triumphed.
Modern Protestants try to explain Revelation as geopolitical, etc., but they do not get it and never will.
A man will never understand a woman because he ISN’T one, and visa versa. So please stop attempting to explain Catholicism as a non Catholic because you ARE NOT one and there are massive blind spots in your thinking; it comes across as mean spirited and unChristian - maybe you do not realize this?
Also - protestants will never understand scripture until they attend a mass and understand the order of the liturgy - the mass (tradition of breaking the bread as instructed in John) predated scripture and continues.
Nay, but rather I post the Catechism of the Catholic Church so we all may avoid falling into error or heresy concerning the nature of the LORD Jesus Christ. It seems to me you are involved in a sect, Michael Rood's group or similar. I was surprised to see you use the term "a messiah." What, precisely, did you mean by that ?
Exactly. So why are you insisting that a day is 24 hours?
You know, it wouldn't seem like you guys are playing games with words if you just stuck to the questions you ORIGINALLY asked and which WERE answered - NOT avoided or ignored as y'all seem to be doing here. What did you originally ask? Here it is again with my answer:
To: FatherofFive
From Scripture, how long is a day?
It depends on the context, doesn't it? In Genesis, God created the world in six "days" and specifically said "evening and morning" were what counted as a day. To humans, in THIS earthly life, a day is approx. 24 hours. But with God - because He is eternal - time is not binding on Him which means our thousand years could be as one day with Him. Not everything is a pat yes or no answer, is it?
262 posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:40:18 AM by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
Once again, do y'all need help with reading comprehension?
Why are YOU insisting that a day isn't 24 hours? For humans, living on the earth here and now, a "day" is 24 hours (approximately) and matches the "evening and morning" God stated all the way back in Genesis. If you want to change your question to what is a day TO God, then it depends on whether or not He is speaking of His creation of time on earth FOR human life or HIS view of days or time where He is not bound by time at all. In His view, and for eternity a thousand years is as a day and a day is as a thousand years - in other words, there IS NO TIME in eternity. Is this clear enough now or should I expect more semantical word games and pretend gotchas? I really DO have better things to do with MY time.
No doubt, some FRoman Catholics are squirming in their seats reading your assertions right now. They KNOW that this is not really true that not ALL Catholic theology is "IN Scripture". In fact, IF that was really a true statement, then RCs would not have any problem with the doctrine of sola Scriptura but it is and has been vociferously rejected by the RCC, even though plenty of early church "fathers" state firmly that nothing they preach should be accepted unless it have its basis in sacred Scripture.
What is true about some Catholic doctrine - since it is acknowledged that many traditions have no Scriptural basis - is that the Magesterium doesn't NEED to prove doctrines by Scripture because they assert the church has the authority to declare truth outside of Scripture. From http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/search?q=sacred+tradition, we learn:
The defense for Catholic theology is NOT as "sound" as you insist it is or have been led to believe.
The catechism is error from top to bottom!
Messiah, or more properly, Messiach, is Yeshua’s Biblical title and office.
It is easy to lose track of that with Bibles available in English, but as Paul stated, the oracles of God are in the Hebrew language, and entrusted to the House of Judah. All else is deviation.
The sect of the Roman catholic church seems to have great difficulty adhering to the original Scriptures that Yeshua and his apostles used. (Yehova’s canon)
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You deserve a medal for perseverance with these tricksters!
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Do you mean the Catechism is in error that Gnosticim and all the heresies listed in my post 329 are not heresies after all ?
Messiach, is Yeshuas Biblical title and office.
I think you meant to use Mashiach. When do you believe that Yeshua held that title and office ?
Just chaff!
Unbelievers will be unbelievers.
It is the deception of believers that is the danger with catholicism. Praying to the dead, worshiping Mary/Ishtar, worshiping human wealth, and art, worshiping buildings, pieces of dead humans, clothing of dead humans, and on and on, the catholic church is Satan’s best shot at confusing believers.
Messiah/Messiach was the title Yeshua’s disciples called him by. Outsiders may have called him Rabbi, but not likely anyone in his close circle.
When he returns to earth at Succot, his title will be King, and he will hold the throne of David.
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