Posted on 11/02/2014 3:14:08 PM PST by NYer
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“... what the Catholic Church today calls tradition is the same as what the apostles referred to as tradition...”
The Catholic Church is apostolic and there is no distinction at all between the apostles’ tradition and the Church’s traditions. They are one and the same and have been handed down intact since before the New Testament was even written.
For example - the breaking of the bread referred to in 1 Corinthians 11, 23 that St. Paul is referring to is the mass. The Corinthians knew this because it had been handed down as Paul had orally taught them when he first converted them in 52 AD. Most of them could not read, remember!
It is the exact same TRADITION (the liturgy of the eucharist) for breaking the bread that St. Paul is referring to.
The Corinthians already knew this because St. Paul had taught them the ritual when he first came among them BEFORE he wrote it down. Our mass is the very same because it has continued exactly as the Corinthian “breaking of the bread” ritual, without ever ceasing. It is the same breaking of the bread that St. Paul gave orally to the Corinthians.
The traditions are alluded to in scripture and everyone accepted them since the very beginning. (Not the traditions of men, the sacred traditions).
Indeed! Words DO mean things which is why I specifically said a person "who died with mortal sin on his soul" would go straight to hell per the RC catechism - as I posted from CCC. Did you read it? I was surprised that you apparently didn't comprehend my words and presumed I needed "correction". It appears that Catholics do plenty of word twisting all on their own! Perhaps the thrill of showing up a "prot" overcomes the importance of understanding what the person is actually saying.
And just to be more clear...I think the idea of Purgatory and the difference between "venial" and "mortal" sins is a crock. It negates far more Scriptural truths than confirms. One of many examples of how Roman Catholicism has lost the truth of the gospel it might have once had.
Prove it.
>>For example - the breaking of the bread referred to in 1 Corinthians 11, 23 that St. Paul is referring to is the mass.<<
That is scripture.
>>The Corinthians already knew this because St. Paul had taught them the ritual when he first came among them BEFORE he wrote it down.<<
It became scripture when he "wrote it down". So far you have upheld Sola Scriptura rather well.
>>The traditions are alluded to in scripture and everyone accepted them since the very beginning. (Not the traditions of men, the sacred traditions).<<
Now prove what the Catholic Church calls "tradition" that was not written down in scripture is the same as the apostles taught.
“Chance” has nothing to do with it! For I know whom I have believed and I am convinced that He is able to guard what I have entrusted to Him until that day. My salvation is secure through Christ and nothing can pluck me from His hands.
Yes, right here is the rest of the passage:
So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure. (Philippians 2:12,13)
NOTE...it says "work OUT", not "work FOR". Can you appreciate the difference?
Perhaps his suffering the horrible death of crucifixion and persevering in his faith in the LORD Jesus Christ those last agonizing hours meant there was no need for any further refining. Compare him with blessed Stephen calling on the LORD while being stoned to death and contrast the two of them with Ananias, Sapphira, and Jezebel of Thyatira.
Seeing as the Bible, as the Divinely-inspired word of God, is given to everyone so that we may have teaching, reproof, correction, training in righteousness, and so that we may be complete, equipped for every good work. It's there to "bash" anyone who needs to be bashed.
I find it curious that you seem to only see Catholics being bashed by Scripture. Have you considered that it could be because they actually NEEDED it?
You are wrong.
There are plenty of "Protestants" that COMPLETELY understand Catholic doctrine and have every right to address topics as they come up on these forums. And, there are plenty of Catholics who have no idea what Scripture really says because they have been blinded to the truth by their "traditions" that nullify God's word. Don't you think everyone has the right to hear all sides or is there something to fear from letting that happen? How secure can someone be in their beliefs if they never have to defend them?
Just upthread another RC was talking about St. Dismas (the supposed “good” thief) and how he suffered for his sins on his execution cross (his own personal purgatory) and was why he DID go to heaven with Jesus. So, who’s right?
Says you.
One might say you are failing at attempting to read my mind and determine my motives. Save your prayers, I believe you need it more.
If they completely understood Catholic Doctrine, they would still be Catholic.
Don't you think everyone has the right to hear all sides or is there something to fear from letting that happen?
If you believe this then please present the muslim side, the Hindu side, the Jewish side, etc....
The fact is you are wrong. everyone has the right to hear the truth. Prots only have part of the truth, the entire deposit of faith can only be found in the Catholic Church.
You are wrong.
Apples and oranges, and totally dishonest comparison.
Says you.
From Scripture, how long is a day?
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