It’s like trusting Nancy Pelosi is an expert on theTea-Party.
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Posted on 10/31/2014 5:12:21 AM PDT by Colofornian
Baptisms for the dead often involve young people, ages twelve to seventeen. By appointment, they will spend two to three hours in the temple baptistery area, each person being baptized typically, for a score or more deceased persons. They dress in all-white baptismal clothing, attend a brief worship service, and then participate in the proxy baptisms. Those performing the baptism often include the adult male supervisors traveling with the group.
It is understood that in the spirit world all persons for whom temple work by proxy is performed will have heard of the gospel and its ordinances
(Excerpt) Read more at eom.byu.edu ...
Latayne Colvett Scott, an ex-Mormon who wrote The Mormon Mirage: A Former Mormon Tells Why She Left the Church (Zondervan, 1979), tells on p. 194 her experience in the Mormon temple in the almost rote manner these baptisms of the dead were performed upon her as a teen:
"When my name was called, I went down into the water. The baptizing elder turned me around so that he could see a large screen, something like an electric football scoreboard, which he looked at over my shoulder. On top of the screen was my name, and below it a name I don't remember, but which I'll say was Elizabeth Anderson. 'Sister Celeste Latayne Colvett,' he said, looking at the screen, 'having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you, for and in behalf of Elizabeth Anderson, who is dead, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.' Then he quickly dropped his right arm from the square and lowered me beneath the water. As I was regaining my footing (you learn after the third or fourth time to put one foot slightly behind the other to help you get back out of the water) he had already begun the same prayer, inserting this time the name of another dead woman which had flashed onto the screen behind me. Fifteen consecutive baptisms were performed with me as proxy in a matter of about three minutes. As I left the font, another proxy was preparing to be baptized. Then I was led into a 'confirmation room' where a man sat on a high stool with a chair near his knees. I sat on the chair, my back to him, and he and several other elders placed heir hands heavily upon my head while he pronounced this prayer: 'Sister Celeste Latayne Colvett, in the name of Jesus Christ, we lay our hands upon your head for and in behalf of Elizabeth Anderson, who is dead, and confirm you a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints..." (The Mormon Mirage, p. 194)
(Of additional interest in the above-described "confirmation room" process Scott wrote about is that many Mormons have said that this proxy Baptism process offers a "choice" in which spirits on the other can reject becoming Mormons. Yet, an "automatic" confirmation process has been part and parcel of the proxy baptisms--indeed Lds leaders "confirm" dead souls as "members of the church." Which is it? Are these dead souls confirmed at a later point when deceased Lds missionaries present the Mormon proselytism offer to them, or upon the ritual process in the temple now?)
How many such "endowments for the dead" has the Mormon Church performed?
A. "Through 1985, a cumulative total of...almost 86 million endowments for the dead have been performed."
B. 25 years ago today - 1988 Oct.1 [Lds complete 100 million endowments for the dead in temples]
C. "A 1996 estimate by Richard Cowan states that around 150 million endowments have been performed, most of which were in behalf of deceased persons." (Endowment (Mormonism))
D. Projecting the above #...if Lds merely maintained its early 1990 growth figures, it has now performed 300 million endowments for the dead. More likely, due to the the fact that the Mormon Church went from 49 temples in 1996 to now 143 completed temples (almost quadrupled) -- with a staggering 48 completed in 1999 and 2000 alone -- and technological (digital) increasing genealogical information, it wouldn't surprise me to discover that Mormonism is on the cusp of its billionth endowment for the dead!
These numbers are mind-boggling considering:
The Mormon Church... ...didn't even build temples for necro purposes until after 1840... ...and didn't have an "endowment house" until 1855... ...didn't really start endowments for the dead on any kind of broader scale til the late 1870s... ...and didn't have a temple outside of Utah until late 1919...
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Building the “high places” that God condemned.
Indeed.
And...displacing the New Testament teaching of the Body of Christ -- flesh & blood people -- as the true "temple of the Holy Spirit." (see 1 Corinthians; 2 Corinthians; Ephesians)
I thought the Vatican was catholic.
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| DATE | Occultic Communication Encouraged | SOURCE |
| Open House start date April 3, 1993 San Diego, CA Temple | Visitations by the dead: Prior to the dedication of the San Diego temple, local Mormon families were given a packet entitled Family Temple Preparation Material. Included in this written material were about seven pages devoted to "true stories" of temple patrons who were visited by the dead | They See Dead People? |
| Aug. 12, 1949 -- republished by Mormon church in its Deseret Book Co. publishing, 1972 | "I haven't actually seen any of them, but sometimes when I have finished an endowment or a sealing session in the Salt Lake Temple my bosom has burned, and I have known keep within me that those persons for whom I have officiated have accepted that work." | Bountiful Second Ward Chapel, "Disembodied Spirit Life" section of Life Eternal: A Series of Four Lectures Lynn A. McKinlay, Deseret Book Co. 1972, p. 206 |
| 1980 | Lds "apostle" Boyd K. Packer: "On many occasions I have been present -- when sealings were to be performed, when temple ordinance work was being done, when funeral sermons were being preached --in circumstances when the veil was very thin. The gratitude of those who have gone beyond found its way through the misty barrier and was communicated as spiritual things are communicated." | The Holy Temple, Bookcraft, 1980, p. 267 |
| 2009 | Even Mormon Sunday School material highlights spirit paranormal manifestations | Lds.org Sunday School Chapter Detail: Doctrine and Covenants and Church History Gospel Doctrine Teacher's Manual: See p. 2 |
| Fall 2006 (and assumed other years' courses as well) | BYU freshman course offering | Religious Education class at BYU -- C261: Intro to Lds Family History (Genealogy): See 'Manifestations of the Spirits' section, pp. 57-58 |
| 1996 | An official Mormon church publication -- even placed wholly as a digital publication for years -- highlighted such occultic communication allegedly occurring in 1884 and 1893 ... see chart below | Our Heritage: A Brief History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 1996 pp. 99, 102 |
| 1983 | An official Mormon church priesthood manual was encouraging such paranormal communication in citing an 1884 manifestation | Sermons and Missionary Services of Melvin Joseph Ballard, Deseret Book Co. p. 249, as cited in Come Follow Me, Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, p. 162, 1983 |
It’s like trusting Nancy Pelosi is an expert on theTea-Party.
CAUTION!! CHRISTIAN BASHING THREAD!!
----------------This thread does not praise God. It weakens faith----------------
“I thought the Vatican was catholic.”
You probably thought that Jews were not gentiles too.
I usually skip these hate-spam threads. Every once in awhile, however, I lift up the rock to see what's crawling beneath.
Next up, watching Jane Fonda pontificate on who is and is not a real Conservative, and then Chris Matthews will decide who is authentically black.
Mormonism is a flaky religious cult whose true-believing members are as brainwashed as any member of Scientology. You would get more honest information from any Christian or former member of the cult than you would from the inside.
Christianity has been defined for a very long time. The Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, members of Bahai, Armstrongites, and on and on and on, can beat on the gates to heaven all they want. God will simply say, "I never knew you."
Very rarely do atheists, Mormons, or other cultists ever do anything except "spam hate" in defense of their brethren. I've never gotten a straight answer out of any of them on this forum about the teachings of Mormonism and its history. They can only mock, and if they try to get into specifics, it is they who get squished like bugs.
I am a Protestant Christian, and I stand with my Mormon brothers and sisters in Christ.
No, you are either a Mormon or an infidel posing as a Christian. Let's experiment to see if I am right:
1) Do you believe in the Trinity?
2) Does it bother you that Joseph Smith had something like 20 wives, and publicly lied, claiming he only had one?
3) Do you believe salvation is through arcane temple rituals and obedience to the Mormon high command?
Let's see how you do.
I have had many informative and friendly conversations with Mormons here and enjoyed a much different experience.
Perhaps if you didn't lead off calling them cultists and liars.
Of course you did, you don't challenge them on their religion and you consider them "brothers" in Christ. Challenge them on their religion, and you'll have the experience I am about to have with you.
Now you are attacking my faith. As described above, this thread does not praise God, it weakens faith.
Also; I don't take homework assignments from you.
Compare your statement to this:
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
You are just a relativist who does not know the scripture.
Also; I don't take homework assignments from you.
Like I said, It's like pulling teeth to get a direct and honest answer out of any of the cultists or their defenders on this forum. When I condemn them, I'm only speaking the truth. It's up to them to take up the challenge and face the scripture, and if they can't overcome it, they must submit to it. After death, God won't be accepting the excuse of "Oh, he was so mean to me, and that was why I didn't fulfill my duty to 'test the spirits' as the scripture commands."
Well, I hope you like hot places.
Your are calling me a liar and an infidel.
Personal ad hominem attacks instantly qualify your argument as the loser.
If you have honor and wish to apologize, it would be welcomed. Otherwise, we are done here.
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