The Secret Synod Does What We Expected: Evil

The Remnant Newspaper ^ | 10/13/14 | Christopher A. Ferrara

[MrB]

“law of gradualness” is parallel to the assumption of evolution.

It’s already been applied to law, thereby invalidating fixed Law in favor of “evolving” law that erodes our liberties.

What about “infinite, eternal, and UNCHANGEABLE” is unclear?

[rbmillerjr]

“What happened to “the gates of hell shall not” blah blah blah? “

And I say also unto you, That you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it.

...Matthew 16-18, the Word of our Lord Jesus Christ

There is no blah blah blah in what Jesus Christ Himself, says.

[FR_addict]

50. Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community: are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities? Often they wish to encounter a Church that offers them a welcoming home. Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and valuing their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?

51. The question of homosexuality leads to a serious reflection on how to elaborate realistic paths of affective growth and human and evangelical maturity integrating the sexual dimension: it appears therefore as an important educative challenge. The Church furthermore affirms that unions between people of the same sex cannot be considered on the same footing as matrimony between man and woman. Nor is it acceptable that pressure be brought to bear on pastors or that international bodies make financial aid dependent on the introduction of regulations inspired by gender ideology.

52. Without denying the moral problems connected to homosexual unions it has to be noted that there are cases in which mutual aid to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support in the life of the partners. Furthermore, the Church pays special attention to the children who live with couples of the same sex, emphasizing that the needs and rights of the little ones must always be given priority.

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51) does say that the homosexual relationship is not on the same level as marriage, but 52) seems to give the homosexual couple the right to adopt, have children by artificial means, etc. Of course I’m glad they singled out the innocent children of these relationships as having rights that must be met. But it doesn’t mention that is is wrong to bring children into this type of union in the first place. Doesn’t a child have a fundamental right to a mother and a father? The Church doesn’t seem to be addressing this issue and the homosexuals will not see anything wrong with bringing children into their union. This union mentioned in 51) is not a marriage, but no criticism is given by the Church of homosexuals who treat it as a marriage and bring children into the unit. I agree that we have to worry about the children already in this type of union, but if they want to join the Church, you would think the homosexuals would need to follow Church teachings on marriage and become celebrate.

[avenir]

I am happy to see Catholic believers fired up over this. The Lord gave us His Spirit and said Spirit IS IN CONFLICT with the flesh! We were never meant to passively accept crushing under false teachers and shepherds. They do not hold to Truth, they are without authority.

[GBA]

Other people's opinions are more real than God for a lot of people.

I liked things better when Churches were the anchors holding fast against the strong currents of history and the ebb and flow of popular society's ever changing norms.

Too bad many have cut that Cord that ties and binds each of us to safety to go with the flow instead.

Note how we are picking up speed...exciting, huh?

[NTHockey]

Here we go again? With the adoption of Vatican II documents and subsequent abuses, the Catholic Church is overtaken by the CINOs.

How long before these clowns in their robes “gradualize” the murder of the innocent? More importantly, why bother going to church?

[newheart]

but 52) seems to give the homosexual couple the right to adopt, have children by artificial means, etc.

That seems to me to be a VERY broad reading of item #52. I agree with you that perhaps they should have mentioned that is wrong to bring a child into that environment, but sadly, too often the child is already there. They clearly put the child's welfare at the top of the priority list.

[NKP_Vet]

People should read this. Most of the cardinals didn’t want any discussion of homosexuality in the report. It was barely mentioned. It was put in by a liberal asst to the head of the committee that drafted the report. This is big news. No way in the world the Catholic Church flips 180 degrees on the act of sodomy and starts “valuing” positive aspects of depravity. Because there is none. And mentions children being raised by homosexuals, but Francis has called homosexual adoption the “work of the devil”. The Catholic Church is against homosexual adoption. This is the story is the liberal press should be reporting and the ass that put the language in the report should be sent packing. But he got the report out for all the world to see, packed for full lies about homosexuality that was barely mentioned in the first week of the Synod.

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/10/magister-pitched-battle-on-mad-monday.html

“The passage on homosexuality and homosexual “couples” of the Synod relatio is just so scandalous and absurdly opposed to everything the Church has always taught that its sole rational purpose must have been taking attention away from the main artificial debate, on communion for individuals in public state of mortal sin for adulterous relationships without valid confession (the so-called “communion for remarried divorcees”). Most interventions in the Synod Hall this Monday have reportedly been against this repulsive passage”

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Most of the cardinals didn’t want any discussion of homosexuality in the report. It was barely mentioned. It was put in by a liberal asst to the head of the committee that drafted the report. This is big news. No way in the world the Catholic Church flips 180 degrees on the act of sodomy and starts “valuing” positive aspects of depravity.

Well, if that is indeed big news, this should be even bigger news. Fr. Z says this same liberal asst to the head of the committee could be Pope Francis' choice to replace Mueller at CDF:

“The truly bizarre document that the Vatican released Monday”

...Similarly, an American journalist [Michael Voris!] raised a question about the absurd phrase in section 50: “Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community.” In one way, of course, this is true, since all people have gifts and qualities. The journalist wanted to know, however, whether the Synod fathers were saying that homosexuals have gifts to offer precisely because of their homosexuality? That seemed to be implied.

Sadly, more inconsequential commentary followed. [From Bruno Forte... who, under this Pope, will probably be the next Prefect of CDF if Müller is exiled.] The Synod has been talking a great deal about its respect for the intelligence of the Catholic laity. [Is that why they put a media quarantine around the Synod?] But no Catholic layperson of any intelligence left the press conference yesterday thinking that this subject – and several others – was anything other than more confused than ever and perhaps inclining towards things gay activists have been seeking that cannot be squared with the Gospel.

Hopefully Fr. Z's comment was just tongue in cheek gallows humor. I hope its not really a rumor in Rome. Too many of these nightmare rumors have come to pass in the last year and a half.

[Faith Presses On]

Yes, it can be abused , and is being abused. I did a little looking and saw that temperance, or moderation, is one of the “four Cardinal virtues.” And the danger of them is precisely how, once they’re so established as guideposts, they can invoked against God’s Word. There is the voice of “moderation” in what this Catholic synod is doing. What has laid the groundwork for it has been previous work to cast the ideas of “moderation equals good,” while “’extremism’ equals bad.” That’s what Patrick Madrid, who is the Catholic radio host I mentioned, did when he said for Catholics to be careful to avoid the “extremes” of atheism and fundamentalism.

What is atheism about? Well, it’s already getting us to the point of infanticide for sick children and “philosophers” considering that infanticide of healthy infants is all right since it’s not much different from abortion.

And what is fundamentalism about? For evangelical Christians, it’s meant the Bible is God’s inspired, inerrant Word; the Virgin (Cont’d)

[NKP_Vet]

Even Dolan said para 48 (the one about homosexuals), was put in the document after everyone had reviewed the report. They had no type to offer criticism. The sorry SOB Forte should be fired.............but............

“On Monday, 14 October 2013, the Archbishop was appointed by Pope Francis to serve as the Special Secretary of the Third Extraordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops on “The challenges of the family in the context of evangelization”, scheduled from 5 October – 19 October 2014.”

He’s a liberal, therefore he’s a favorite of liberal Francis. Francis probably told him to put in the blasphamy
about homosexuals in the report. Francis will turn out to be the worst Pope in the last 500 years. Hopefully after this debacle on the family the rest of the bishops will accuse him of heresy and get rid of him.

[Faith Presses On]

birth of Christ; Christ’s death as atonement for our sins; His bodily resurrection; and the literal truth of His miracles.

So both “extremes” are to be rejected because they’re “extremes” and “moderation” is the way? No, moderation was never taught about in the Bible as the Catholic Church has taught about it. There is nothing in the Bible about “four Cardinal virtues.” The Bible also commands much extremism.

It doesn’t leave us without answers, either, on for example, the question of food. Like everything else in life, we’re to do all for God’s glory. What should His saints, His own children, be doing? The Gospel is “good news,” God no longer counting our sins against us. So if we’re assured of God’s mercy towards us, what joy and devotion should that relief produce, especially since we know that God’s ways are truly best for us? Even atheists embrace “moderation,” but these other are infinitely better, and Heavenly, guiding thoughts.

[Rashputin]

"More importantly, why bother going to church?"

Sounds like a test of personal faith in the Eucharist to me.

Are you going to answer for the Bishops or for yourself? If you don't believe, don't go.

That's your answer.

JMHo

[fishtank]

As a former RCC member,

That’s why I’ve been saying:

If you reject Vatican 2,

you know your Church is dead.

If you accept Vatican 2,

you think your Church is alive.

[Iscool]

I’ve read the ridiculous notion many times that your religion is God, or that Jesus and your Church is one and the same...This ought to be some kind of proof...God never changes, religions do...It is foolish to trust in a church...Even yours...

One thing that people seem to miss is that while your religion is doing what it can to be the One World Church, inviting all religions to join with Rome, it again would be foolish to think that the rules and laws of your religion appeal to everyone...
I have no doubt that your religious leaders recognize that they will have to bend and give on some issues to be attractive...
Another thing you guys may not consider is that conservative American Catholics are a minority of American Catholics...American Catholics represent about 14% of Catholics world wide...How many of those 86% majority are in line with the liberal leadership of the Catholic religion???

The only thing outside of God that you can be certain of is that you can’t be certain of anything...

[FR_addict]

Ok. If you are right, then I agree with Cardinal Burke. Pope Francis needs to come out and say what he means.

Cardinal Burke says statement from Pope Francis defending Catholic teaching is ‘long overdue’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3215124/posts

[Dajjal]

Synod bumpus ad summum

[NTHockey]

Was a rhetorical question. If the Catholic Church is going to teach that there is no sin, why bother going.