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Posted on 10/08/2014 11:39:09 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Go and make disciples of all the nations."Not Catholics...
501
posted on
10/10/2014 11:03:49 AM PDT
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Go and make disciples of all the nations; telling them that MOM is essential to believe in me.
502
posted on
10/10/2014 11:05:00 AM PDT
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: NKP_Vet
Facts are facts and you still ignore the facts. What MUST we do...
503
posted on
10/10/2014 11:05:39 AM PDT
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: CynicalBear
Most of what they do and believe goes back to Nimrod.
that’s so ridiculous.
504
posted on
10/10/2014 11:06:19 AM PDT
by
Coleus
To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
I understand why you want to change the subject, since the Bible alone is the SOLE rule of faith isnt in the Bible. I understand why you want to muddy the water; but your chosen religion has not explained WHY it's TRADITIONS are essential; and that the BIBLE you guys put together is NOT sufficient information to save human souls from the fires of Hell.
505
posted on
10/10/2014 11:07:51 AM PDT
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: avenir
...no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother.
506
posted on
10/10/2014 11:08:31 AM PDT
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ealgeone
That's really being very catholic. They have a very bad habit of doing that.
507
posted on
10/10/2014 11:12:36 AM PDT
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Coleus
Most of what they do and believe goes back to Nimrod.
thats so ridiculous.
Around the time of the tower of Babel? Not ridiculous in the least. RCC is one offshoot of some other extant groups which can trace their beginnings back to those Old Testament times.
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To: Resettozero
“With Fronds Like These, Who Needs Anemones?”
509
posted on
10/10/2014 11:32:34 AM PDT
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Resettozero
you have a great imagination
510
posted on
10/10/2014 11:47:37 AM PDT
by
Coleus
To: FourtySeven; CynicalBear
The RC assertion is, as I understand it, that there is, or at least was, a body of knowledge that has different content but equal authority to canonical Scripture. Supposedly this alternate stream of data was orally transmitted, and only surfaces in much later writings, if at all.
It’s hard to know how this could be proved. The problem is, attribution an origin preceding its being written down is impossible, as there are no live witnesses who can say, “yes, so and so taught such and such.”. Which means we are stuck with the written record as the only objective way to determine the content of said tradition. And nothing in the written record suggests novelties such as the Assumption of Mary or transubstantiation, until much later. Projecting that backward into an undocumented oral tradition only proves the desire to prove the novelty. It doesn’t actually prove the novelty isn’t novel.
So I think ultimately, you’d have to prove three things. First, that some orally transmitted beliefs or practices existed when you say they did, from the beginning. Second, you’d have to show they were different from the enscripturated traditions. Third, you’d have to show these traditions to be God-breathed, having direct authority of divine inspiration, in order to treat them as equal to Scripture.
It is unlikely you can show any of this, because the bus never gets out of the station. How do you document the actual content of an unrecorded oral tradition? At some point it must be written down, and once that happens, it is now a writing, and a writing not canonized as Scripture, no matter what it contains, is necessarily inferior authority, unless one rescues it with circular reasoning, I.e., the undocumented tradition gives the Roman See infallible, monarchical authority, and the infallible, monarchical authority asserts the validity of the undocumented tradition. This becomes a blank check in which Rome can write itself any new dogma it needs, without accountability to the written word of God. Doctrinal development, as cardinal newmann framed it. Which infinite circle of logic is of course both unnecessary and untenable.
Peace,
SR
To: cloudmountain
512
posted on
10/10/2014 12:06:14 PM PDT
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Springfield Reformer
Which means we are stuck with the written record as the only objective way to determine the content of said tradition. And nothing in the written record suggests novelties such as the Assumption of Mary or transubstantiation, until much later.At what date; approximately?
513
posted on
10/10/2014 12:07:51 PM PDT
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Coleus
you have a great imagination
Thank you. But that's your response? Does it mean you can refute what I posted? Or was it just a knee-jerk response to something which may very well be known already by more than a few people, including clerics within the elite palaces of the RCC.
Before you place your faith in anything man-made, it's best to find out if it will support your weight under all circumstances.
To: cloudmountain
515
posted on
10/10/2014 12:10:58 PM PDT
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Resettozero
516
posted on
10/10/2014 12:15:31 PM PDT
by
Coleus
To: Coleus
I will pray for you.
Thanks. But please do so in the Name of Jesus for best results.
To: Springfield Reformer; CynicalBear
Thank you for this thoughtful reply. This is an excellent post. It deserves an equally well-reasoned reply in return.
Perhaps I will do so this weekend when I am taking a much needed vacation this weekend, and I am hopefully sipping a nice adult beverage on the private beach that is my destination. I make no promises however, I hope to spend the majority of my time with my lovely wife and parents.
All Christians here (Catholic and non) please pray my flight will be safe.
Have a nice weekend!
God bless,
To: Coleus
You might wish it’s ridiculous but the Catholic Church admits it took from paganism which virtually all of leads back to Babylon and Nimrod.
519
posted on
10/10/2014 12:46:47 PM PDT
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
To: Springfield Reformer
Well done! It really results in faith in fallible man over infallible scripture.
520
posted on
10/10/2014 12:53:00 PM PDT
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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