Chastity Is Won By God Alone

Chastity.com ^ | Daniel Mattson

[infool7]

The bible is more than sufficient, I was just hoping for a few more examples before considering your premise. It just doesn’t seem well supported and since I am not a bible scholar I thought you could provide me with your thorough exegeses since it’s your claim.

Now you are implying that I don’t accept the bible as a valid source and do me the added dishonor with your dishonest apology.

[Resettozero]

...but you seem to be leaping to some conclusion that I am (breaking forum protocol).

Whatever I may have said to lead you to think this, I would want to have it pointed out. Otherwise, you are mistaken about this "conclusion".

[Resettozero]

I was just hoping for a few more examples before considering your premise.

That's more than fair. Please, which premise do you mean? Thank you again. R2z

[OneWingedShark]

It’s a sin to absolve someone else of their obligations under Torah.

Why would this absolve them of their obligation?
Just because Jesus is personally seeing to his own obligation to ensure his mother is cared for in no way absolves any other [half-]siblings.

[Resettozero]

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[Trapped Behind Enemy Lines]

Sorry.

Most of what we know about Jesus and His family comes from the New Testament, specifically the four Gospels, Mark, Luke, Matthew, and John. Earlier you were asking for the names of Jesus’s brothers and sister. Here you go:
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“Isn’t this the carpenter? Isn’t this Mary’s son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas, and Simon? Aren’t his sisters here with us?”

Mark 6:3

Sorry I don’t have their birthdays for you.

[Resettozero]

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[xone]

Well you see since my Church wrote the Bible, only my Church has the right to translate the Bible.

So now Catholics wrote the Bible? News to the Apostle and the Jews.

only my Church has the right to translate the Bible.

You'd think then they would have done a better job writing the scriptural proofs for much of their doctrine instead of having to rely on their tradition.

[Salvation]

If you are a non-Catholic then you probably are a follower of these people.

What translation of the Bible do you own?

[Resettozero]

...you probably are a follower of these people.

Why don't you believe me when I tell you plainly that I am not a Lutheran or a follower of anyone other than The Lord Jesus Christ? His words and accounts of him are recorded in the four main Gospels and in the last book in the New Testament, Revelation, in every translation of Holy Scripture that I've seen.

I have owned or had access, in bookbound or digital versions, to practically every translation of the Holy Bible into English. In this, I am exceedingly grateful for these works and am aware of my obligation to share what I've been told in Holy Scripture and what has been revealed to me by Almighty God the Father, namely that Jesus is the Christ and Son of God, and confirmed to me via the sealing of the Holy Spirit.

Many years ago at the age of 32, I heard the Gospel preached one more time and, by the Grace of God, accepted the gift of salvation with my share paid in full by the blood and death of Jesus Christ in my stead and then confirmed by His resurrection from the dead as He said. I turned at that time from the doctrines and traditions of men and have since followed the One and Only Lord Jesus Christ as preached by Paul in the Scriptures. There's much more that I could say but this is enough to explain the difference in which you and I are basing our practices of religious daily living.

[Resettozero]

If you are a non-Catholic...

I am a paid-up member of the universal Holy Catholic Church comprised of all believers in the Lordship of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

You appear to be a member of the Roman Catholic church, or a similar religious organization, which provides worship places for some members of the Holy Catholic Church.

[Tired of Taxes]

Precisely. Jesus had brothers and sisters mentioned in the Bible. Some have trouble with this. I do not. Mary and Joseph were a happily married couple who followed God’s plan to be fruitful and multiply as He intended.

I returned to the Catholic Church a few years ago.

You can disagree with the following if you like. I'm just sharing this explanation given by the pastor of my church. Assuming I remember the explanation correctly, he said that...

Joseph was a much older widower who already had grown children. At the time, some young girls (Mary being one of them) were selected to remain lifelong virgins. Joseph agreed to marry Mary to care for her - not in the way a man and woman would marry. When Mary was found to be pregnant, at first accusations were made against Joseph.

Because Joseph was so much older, that's why he is not standing at the foot of the cross when Jesus was crucified. (He would've died by that time.)

So, anyway, Joseph's children would be the siblings that everyone keeps referring to.

That's my understanding of it.

[Salvation]

**Why don’t you believe me **

Because you didn’t tell me which denomination or church you were affiliated with.

You didn’t answer my question.

[LambSlave]

Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. And let endurance have its perfect result, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

[MDLION]

When it comes to the meaning of words in the Bible, I ask those who disagree with me to tell me what the following sentence means:

“John is gay.”

Most say, it means John is a homosexual.

I answer, No, the sentence was written in 1914 and means John is happy.

When I ask wiser ones the question, they realize how words change and ask me when it was written. And I respond, if you need context for my question, why do you not need context for the Bible?

This year at work, a black supervisor called me “brother.” Am I his blood brother? No, I’m white. He called me “brother” because we have the same occupation.

Jesus’ “brothers” and “sisters” were cousins and other relatives, as you believe.

“Man is being filled with error; everything deceives him. This error is natural and without Grace, ineffaceable.” - Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

All the divisions on these threads over biblical interpretations actually strengthen my belief that God left the pope, the head of the church, as the source of unity and authority (1 Tim 3:15).

“so that they may all be ONE, as you, Father, are in me and I in you”
-John 17:21

“that they may be ONE as we are ONE” - John 17:22

“When the time for Pentecost was fulfilled, they were all in ONE place together” - Acts 2:1

“The Father and I are ONE.” -John 10:30

“Behold, how good it is, and how pleasant,
where brethren dwell as ONE!” -Psalm 133:1

[Trapped Behind Enemy Lines]

That of course is simply speculation...that Joseph was previously married and had other children before he married Mary.

I don’t go there. I don’t speculate. I don’t know. I have no problem believing that Mary and Joseph had a happy normal marriage and that other children followed Jesus’s birth. This, however, conflicts with an ideological view among some that Mary was ALWAYS a virgin and that her marriage with Joseph was never consummated, even though there isn’t a shred of evidence in the Bible remotely suggesting this. The good Lord commands us to be fruitful and multiply and Mary and Joseph did just that.

BTW-—I first learned Jesus had brothers and sisters in bible study class at my church (a Catholic church) and the class was taught by a CATHOLIC priest. The priest simply taught the Bible as it is written and didn’t try to make up things along the way or make any effort to twist words or meanings in order to satisfy any particular dogma or doctrine. I am truly grateful for that.

[avenir]

I first saw the thread title CHASTITY IS WON BY GOD ALONE! and said Amen!

Then I read the thread.

Now I return to the title CHASTITY IS WON BY GOD ALONE, say Amen! and run screaming from the thread in terror...

[Tired of Taxes]

The information at this link explains more:

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/mary-ever-virgin

Again, we all can agree to disagree. But that’s the explanation that makes the most sense to me.

[Trapped Behind Enemy Lines]

Again. Why not simply accept what is written in the Bible and avoid speculation?

Whether Mary and Joseph ever consummated their marriage and produced other children or not, it doesn’t change anything, at least not for me.