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To: Salvation

It was a symptom, and certainly helped speed it alone, but you can’t blame contraception alone.

Contraception has been available for just about as long as civilization was around. Same with abortion. The difference is that it went from a net evil (or something that was only to be used in the gravest need) to a net good (ie, not using it is only to be done in the gravest extreme).

Men and women have been having sex for fun since Adam and Eve. Kids were assumed to be part of that.

I think the biggest difference was a shift from worrying about the next generation to actively destroying that generation in order to have pleasure today. Contraception is a huge symptom of that, but not the cause. If people still valued life, contraception would be a moot point. But people would rather feed their appetites than a new child.

Banning the pill wouldn’t change that. Neither will banning abortion. I fear the only thing that will change it is what changed it before. The collapse of the civilization that is actively destroying itself.


10 posted on 09/24/2014 7:09:17 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
Contraception and abortion becoming socially acceptable and in fact applauded is a huge factor. Yes they have been around for ever but they were not seen as good. Loose women of low morals were seen to have used them. So in our"compassion" they moved to make them normal.

The gay agenda is now doing the same. Soon we will be made to accept child rape and bestiality unless someone stops this decline.

I just can't decide who we more resemble the Roman Empire or the Third Reich. We certainly are taking up some of both. Neither of those "civilizations" ended well.

11 posted on 09/24/2014 7:20:54 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: redgolum
Dear redgolum,

Law and culture shape each other. The law, whether just or unjust, is a moral teacher. Most people draw from what is legal that which is moral, even when the underlying premise, that a particular law is just, is false.

Thus, legal restrictions and bans on evil things can help shape the consciences of persons. Failure to make illegal certain evils encourages many, especially the weaker-minded, to believe that these evils are not, after all, evil.

Therefore, a ban on abortion, if it were achievable via democratic methods (as opposed to judicial whim) would encourage many to form their consciences a little more properly than they might otherwise.


sitetest

13 posted on 09/24/2014 8:39:49 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: redgolum

I agree with you on the culture of abortion.


14 posted on 09/24/2014 8:45:35 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: redgolum; Salvation

It actually goes even deeper than that. The root problem is the denial of the order of creation of man as distinctively male and female each with unique nature and roles and with the purpose of drawing them together in marriage for the procreation of children. When women were driven out of the house to work in the market place the whole purpose of the family was destroyed.


16 posted on 09/24/2014 9:47:42 AM PDT by Petrosius
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