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Regensburg Redux: Can Benedict say 'I told you so' about Islam?
Crux ^ | September 10, 2014 | David Gibson/RNS

Posted on 09/11/2014 9:15:05 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o


Pope Benedict XVI lectured on faith and reason at the University of Regensburg in Germany in this Sept. 12, 2006, file photo. A quotation from a Byzantine emperor that the pope used in this talk provoked outrage in the Muslim world.

Eight years ago this Friday, Sept. 12, Pope Benedict XVI delivered a lecture at the University of Regensburg in Bavaria in which he seemed to diagnose Islam as a religion inherently flawed by fanaticism.

It was an undiplomatic assertion, to say the least — especially coming a day after the 9/11 anniversary — and it sparked an enormous outcry among Muslims. It came to be seen as one of a series of missteps that would plague Benedict’s papacy until he resigned last year.

Now, with the Islamic State on the march in the Middle East, leaving a trail of horrifying brutality and bloodshed that has shocked the world, some of Benedict’s allies on the Catholic right are saying, in effect, “He told you so.”

“Regensburg was not so much the work of a professor or even a pope,” wrote the Rev. Raymond de Souza in a column for the National Catholic Register. “It was the work of a prophet.”

Eight years later “we have ISIS” — an acronym for the Islamic State — “And beheadings. And persecution. And hatred. And war,” added Elise Hilton in a blog post for the Acton Institute, a libertarian Catholic think tank.

“It appears that the world owes Pope Benedict an apology,” she wrote. Advertisement

So what did Benedict say at Regensburg that continues to resonate so widely?

The lecture was meant to be a homecoming of sorts for the German pope who had been the chief guardian of orthodoxy for Pope John Paul II.

For it was as a teacher at Regensburg during the 1970s, when he was the Rev. Joseph Ratzinger, a leading Catholic theologian in Germany with a growing international reputation, that Benedict was happiest. Get Crux by e-mail

In his 2006 speech, simply titled “Faith, Reason and the University: Memories and Reflections,” Benedict characteristically took up a knotty concept — the interplay of faith and reason. He wanted to show how reason untethered from faith leads to fanaticism and violence.

To illustrate that case, Benedict dug up an obscure 14th-century dialogue between a long-forgotten Byzantine Christian emperor, Manuel II Paleologus, and a Persian scholar, about the concept of violence in Islam.

“Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached,” Benedict quoted the emperor as saying to his Islamic interlocutor. Related

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In Islamic teaching, Benedict said, “God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality.”

Given the tinderbox that was the Muslim world then, as now, it was no surprise that Benedict’s citation of Islam as an example of a religion gone wild touched off the firestorm.

Not only were moderate Muslims offended, but extremists attacked churches in the West Bank, killed an Italian nun in Somalia, and beheaded a priest in Iraq. Benedict’s allies saw those episodes as proving the pope’s point, and they cheered his willingness to “get tough” with Islam. “Benedict the Brave,” the Wall Street Journal called him.

But many in the West, and in Benedict’s own church, cringed at what they saw as his impolitic — to say the least — remarks, and criticized his analysis of Islam.

Fast forward eight years and today, the old pope’s allies say events have proved them — and Benedict, and Emperor Manuel II Paleologus — right.

“Today when the news from ex-Iraq is once more making history, and is showing to anyone who has eyes to see what the Quran translated into action looks like, they need to apologize to both of you,” Camillo Langone wrote in Il Foglio, a conservative Italian periodical.

Yet those reactions may not be doing justice to Islam, or Benedict.

For one thing, while many Catholic critics of Islam cheered Benedict’s Regensburg address, the pope himself tried to distance himself from the more anti-Islamic interpretations. He tweaked the wording of the official Vatican version of the talk to say that the emperor’s remarks were delivered “with a startling brusqueness, a brusqueness that we find unacceptable.”

And he added explanatory footnotes saying that he is “in agreement with Manuel II, but without endorsing his polemic.”

Meanwhile, the Vatican portrayed the speech as an attempt to open a dialogue with Islam, rather than representing it as the pope’s final word on Islam.

In fact, a number of Islamic scholars took the opportunity to invite Benedict and the Catholic Church to a deeper dialogue on the topic of religion and violence — a dialogue that in itself showed Islam may not be as reflexively violent as some said. And Benedict went out of his way to repair relations with the Islamic world, visiting a mosque in Turkey and saying many nice things about Islam during the rest of his papacy.

Moreover, the history of Islam and Christianity provide much evidence that counters the idea that Islam is always and everywhere violent, or that Christianity is inherently virtuous. There is no monolithic Islam just as there is no monolithic Christianity.

Islam in Spain throughout the Middle Ages, for example, represented a sort of golden age of religious comity and intellectual and artistic flowering that rivaled anything in Christendom.

Benedict “could easily have found other passages by Muslim scholars showing the compatibility, even the necessity, of faith and reason as allies not enemies in Islamic thought,” wrote Bruce Lawrence, Islamic scholar and professor emeritus at Duke University in an email from India, where he is delivering a series of lectures.

Lawrence cited the 14th-century Arab scholar Ibn Khaldun as an influential Muslim who argued that “‘aql” (the Arab word for intellect) and “naql” (meaning tradition) “are as close in practice as they are in sound; i.e., they rhyme and complement one another.”

Others note that the religious wars that raged across Europe in the wake of the Reformation are among the many instances of brutality carried out by Christians that rival anything we see today in the Middle East.

In a column for The Week, for example, Michael Brendan Dougherty detailed how the English and the established Anglican Church treated the Irish and Catholics much the way the Islamic State deals with its foes.

But such historical analogies aren’t going to make many feel better about the present-day predicament.

Neither is it clear what Benedict would make of all of this. He is retired and living in semi-reclusion in a Vatican convent, and doesn’t seem eager to stir the pot.

As the Rev. George Rutler wrote in Crisis, a conservative Catholic magazine, “like the bold prophet Jeremiah, the benign prophet Benedict will never say in this world or from the next, ‘I told you so.’”


TOPICS: Current Events; Islam; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: allahfubar; benedictxvi; regensburg
Check out how the Crux (heavily Boston Globe) combox cronies are calling the Pope Benedict's true and scholarly statement to a scholarly University audience a public relations "gaffe."

Truth is such an outsider these days.

I sure miss Pope Benedict.

1 posted on 09/11/2014 9:15:05 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

God Bless Pope Benedict XVI Emertus!


2 posted on 09/11/2014 9:18:14 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yes, he is sorely missed, and he can definitely say, “I told you so.” But he is truly humble (as opposed to wearing his “humility” on his sleeve), and would never do so. God bless him and keep him.


3 posted on 09/11/2014 10:26:13 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“The Real Islam”

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwKzh00OWpA#t=25


4 posted on 09/11/2014 10:35:15 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Biggirl

Amen! God Bless Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI !
Concordia cum veritate (In harmony with truth)!


5 posted on 09/11/2014 1:29:36 PM PDT by chud
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; ...

Catholic ping!


6 posted on 09/11/2014 1:51:33 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Islam in Spain throughout the Middle Ages, for example, represented a sort of golden age of religious comity and intellectual and artistic flowering that rivaled anything in Christendom.

That is an historically inaccurate statement.

7 posted on 09/11/2014 2:23:51 PM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: Excellence

Looks like it’s David Gibson who’s putting it out there as a fact. It’s something I’d like to learn more abnout. What can you tell me?


8 posted on 09/11/2014 3:19:11 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (To the hard of hearing you shout, and for the almost-blind you draw large and startling figures..)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I miss him as well. I still wonder how they forced him out. I am thinking more and more that was the case. Seems the my whole world is a mess. I don’t even like Free Republic that much any more.


9 posted on 09/12/2014 5:19:10 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise by Darío Fernández-Morera

http://www.academia.edu/5023367/The_Myth_of_the_Andalusian_Paradise_by_Dario_Fernandez-Morera_The_Myth_of_the_Andalusian_Paradise

10 posted on 09/12/2014 6:52:49 AM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: defconw
I don't think "they" forced Benedict out, because I think he would rather give up his life than surrender to any coercion, extortion, or deception.

He SAID he knew his stamina and his mental and physical powers were waning, and that he was not equal to his tasks; he also said he was satisfied in his conscience that he needed to spend his time in profound prayer, unbroken communion with the Lord. I think that is exactly what happened, and not only that, it was exactly wha was needed.

I think Benedict was telling the exact truth.

11 posted on 09/12/2014 7:26:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (To the hard of hearing you shout, and for the almost-blind you draw large and startling figures..)
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To: Excellence

Thank you. That is exactly what I needed to see.


12 posted on 09/12/2014 7:27:36 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (To the hard of hearing you shout, and for the almost-blind you draw large and startling figures..)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You are welcome. I first saw the article in Intercollegiate Review.


13 posted on 09/12/2014 7:44:12 AM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well taken from that view, yes I think you are correct. I just wish he was still in there. This current Holy Father, well what can I say... he’s not boring. :)


14 posted on 09/12/2014 8:11:31 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Excellence; Mrs. Don-o
That is not the only inaccuracy in the article.

He wanted to show how reason untethered from faith leads to fanaticism and violence.

I think the author has this backwards. It should be "He wanted to show how faith untethered from reason leads to fanaticism and violence." And the idea was proven accurate by the actions of some fanatical Muslims shortly after the lamestream media took Manuel II's quote out of context..

15 posted on 09/12/2014 8:32:00 AM PDT by ELS
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To: ELS

I believe you are correct.


16 posted on 09/12/2014 8:37:57 AM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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