[I still care]

I've known people in ATI and spent a lot of time looking at their materials. I've felt there was some good stuff in there, and looking at the Duggars, you can see godly fruit.

All that said, I've also seen the danger. It always did have cultish overtones IMHO. It all comes down to is it coerced or is it a choice? For instance, scripture tells us we should raise our girls to be modest. But if you start setting legalistic rules about it within a church, it starts to assume a power it should not have. Quantifying the rules starts to remove some of the strength of scripture - it's why we aren't stuck in the 9th century like the muslims.

Then I have noticed over the years Michelle has definitely "loosened up" with the girl's dress - they do wear make up, and they don't wear those exaggerated prairie style dresses anymore.

[DariusBane]

The Duggers are ATI royalty with a ‘ministry” so they get some wiggle room. They are now outside the teachings of the cult. If the dress code can be violated for ministry purposes then why are any of the rules not inviolate?

ATI tells you when to have sex, how often and how. Tells you not to eat pork. How your facial expressions should look. How to speak. No playing cards. No “back beat” in music. Associations with outsiders discouraged. No movie theaters. Etc.
If Duggers can pick and choose are any strictures valid?