I find it amusing when people throw out totally unsupported propositions, such as "valid orders" to defend the scandals of Pope Francis.
Archbishop Welby, who is visiting Rome with his wife, wore, as is customary for visiting archbishops, an episcopal ring given to Archbishop Michael Ramsey by Pope Paul VI in 1966.
Vlad, in the uppermost picture, Pope St. John Paul II is kissing the episcopal ring that Pope Paul VI had given to the faux bishop, Michael Ramsey.
“I find it amusing when people throw out totally unsupported propositions, such as “valid orders” to defend the scandals of Pope Francis.”
1) This is not a scandal - except to you and other sedevcante and quasi-sedevacante.
2) Anyone who has actually studied the valid orders controversy knows the following:
- the Church has concluded that all Anglicans will be treated as if no valid orders exists in all public statements and if they seek ordination in the Catholic Church.
- Some Anglicans have received documented proof from the Vatican that they have valid orders because they were ordained through Old Catholic lines. Some have even written about this. here’s a case from 1959 - 3 years before Vatican II. http://philorthodox.blogspot.com/2008/10/vatican-recoginition-of-anglican-orders.html
One final note: Even if Tony Palmer did not have valid orders, the pope may have believed he did. In the grant scheme of things it hardly matters. Palmer is dead. Francis is still pope. And none of us can change either one of those facts.