Posted on 07/31/2014 7:09:56 PM PDT by marshmallow
Vatican City, Jul 31, 2014 / 05:01 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- The Congregation for Divine Worship, in a recent circular letter, announced that the placement of the sign of peace within Mass will not change, though it suggested several ways the rite could be performed with greater dignity.
“The Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments … pronounced in favor of maintaining the 'rite' and 'sign' of peace in the place it has now in the Ordinary of the Mass,” Fr. Jose Maria Gil Tamayo, secretary general of the Spanish bishops' conference, related in a July 28 memo.
He noted that this was done out of consideration of the placement of the rite of peace as “a characteristic of the Roman rite,” and “not believing it to be suitable for the faithful to introduce structural changes in the Eucharistic Celebration, at this time.”
The sign of peace is made after the consecration and just prior to the reception of Communion; it had been suggested that it be moved so that it would precede the presentation of the gifts.
Fr. Gil's memo was sent to the Spanish bishops, and prefaced the Congregation for Divine Worship's circular letter, which was signed June 8 by Cardinal Antonio Canizares Llovera, its prefect, and its secretary, Archbishop Arthur Roche. The circular had been approved and confirmed the previous day by Pope Francis.
The letter made four concrete suggestions about how the dignity of the sign of peace could be maintained against abuses.
Fr. Gil explained that the circular letter is a fruit of the 2005 synod of bishops on the Eucharist, in which the possibility of moving the rite was discussed.
“During the Synod of Bishops there was discussion about the appropriateness of greater restraint in this gesture, which can be exaggerated and..........
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The term "Real Presence" is said to not originally be a Catholic term at all, but that it history is mostly Anglican.
2,000 years of observing the Eucharist, the REAL PRESENCE of Jesus in the Mass, observed since the very beginning of Christianity, observed by more Christians around the world than the couple million protestants that make fun of it and pick and choose what they want to believe in the Bible. I rest my case. You my friend, you are seriously outnumbered.
I see, So the term "Real Presence" came from Catholics who believed in transubstantiation, and Truth in Christianity is decided by a church that subjects Scripture to herself, versus what the NT church in Scripture was taught?
Among other contradictions and contrasts , you have an approx 1900 year old complete Bible, which nowhere teaches literally eating flesh as a means of gaining spiritual and eternal life, nor of a church in which doing so was the "source and summit" of its faith, with zero "priests" dispensing changed flesh and blood as part of their ordained duties, and instead they are "nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine," (1Tim. 4:6) with preaching being their required main function, (1Tim. 3:2; 2Tim. 4:1,2) and which are not once titled "priests."
All of which can be soundly established. You are seriously outweighed!
Even the egotistical Luther believed in the Eucharist and the Real Presence
You are using the term loosely, which is also necessary for your claimed consensus of CFs. Luther is more closely associated with consubstantiation, which some CFs are also seen to be, and which is not the same.
But invoking CFs or Luther as reproving us simply examples the error of RCs , which looks to men over Scripture, and thus their desperate polemics RCs either fault us for following or not following Luther!
And let us consider one another, to provoke unto charity and to good works: Not forsaking our assembly, as some are accustomed; but comforting one another, and so much the more as you see the day approaching. — Hebrews 10:24-25, DRA
What does this say about a “sign of peace” or a word of encouragement in the Mass?
Catholics for 2,000 years, since Christ instituted it himself, have been partaking in the blood and body of their Lord and Savior at each and every Mass. Protestants on the other hand just make fun of the sacrament the way they make fun of anything Catholics do. High Anglicans, the part of the Anglican Church that retained most of the customs and liturgy of the Catholic Church after Henry the 8th made his own religion called the Anglican Church, of course believe in the Real Presence. Any REAL christian does.
Even if they believe in the Real Presence, they do not partake of It; because all their "priests" are mere laymen. I recommend you read Apostolicae Curae.
Yup, I know it’s different. Just wondering how you feel about what the Bible says about the Christian assembly.
Why do you need a “word of encouragement” at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass?
That you and others won’t address my specific question is what I was seeking to know. Thanks.
Sorry, you’re so insecure. Maybe you should try another religion.
My initial impulse was to criticize your observations and remarks, but upon reflection, it’s quite clear that your comment is actually a representative point of view of the neo-Catholic Church. You (along with the priests and bishop who taught you to think as you have) precisely capture the heart and soul of what the modern Church is about today––each other. Not God, but simply the relationship and interactions between our neighbors and friends. This is not Catholicism; it actually is Protestantism.
Many years ago, before the Church turned left at Vatican II and embraced Protestantism (and humanism), a Catholic attended Mass for precisely the reason notaliberal gave: to see and receive Jesus Christ in the flesh––to become one with Him. When we entered the Church in those pre-1960 days we remained silent because we were in the presence of God. If we had to speak to someone it was done in a respectful whisper. No one ever clapped in a Church. Women wore veils and everyone knew they were in a holy place.
Today, the Church that you cheerlead has been decimated by the modernists. If there is a tabernacle at all, it is more often than not placed off to the side. The vast majority of those Catholics who are still attending Mass, believe, like the Protestants, that the Holy Eucharist is merely a symbol of Jesus Christ.
May the most holy, most sacred, most adorable,
most incomprehensible and unutterable Name of God
be always praised, blessed, loved, adored
and glorified in Heaven, on earth,
and under the earth,
by all the creatures of God,
and by the Sacred Heart of Our Lord Jesus Christ,
in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar.
Amen.
That’s beautiful. And it still doesn’t address the Bible passage about the Christian assembly. But I understand that the Magisterium of the RC church defines what the Mass is. So my question is answered.
Ping!
“Even if they believe in the Real Presence, they do not partake of It; because all their “priests” are mere laymen. I recommend you read Apostolicae Curae”
You are 100% right. I never said I believed they were partaking in it, but they believe they are. The “priests” they have are not authorized to consecrate the host, as their apostolic succession ended when they broke broke away from the Catholic Church.
Actually it ended with the change to the form of conferring holy orders under Edward VI (I think), some Anglicans actually realize this and seek ordination from bishops who are real but outside both the Catholic and Anglican communions. It's weird.
OH Man I grew up in 1970s and 80s we always shake hands I wonder what my priest said now after this he is into that peace very boisterous
That sound like my church
What about the other 110 reasons to be wary of/avoid the New Mass?
Very possible YOU will lose your soul by blindly following innovation and error in the liturgy.
It is a lay duty to refuse to participate in error.
First, I am not "cheerleading" the Catholic Church.
You (along with the priests and bishop who taught you to think as you have) precisely capture the heart and soul of what the modern Church is about today––each other.
Not even sure where you got that from. Surely not from my post.
Not God, but simply the relationship and interactions between our neighbors and friends.
Really? You assume that's what I think from my post?
The vast majority of those Catholics who are still attending Mass, believe, like the Protestants, that the Holy Eucharist is merely a symbol of Jesus Christ.
I've never met anyone who thinks that. We all receive Communion with the belief that it IS Christ.
Your post is a declaration of your self assumed superiority when it comes to beliefs regarding the mass and the Catholic church. Your post is pretty typical for a "holier than thou" Catholic of which there many here on FR. You preach instead of try to teach. You approach posters like me with the attitude that I can't possibly know as much about Catholicism as you nor can I possibly be able to understand Catholicism as well as you. All that from a two sentence post.
A priest had us do that at one parish when we lived up north. I knelt anyway, and told him why.
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