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To: af_vet_1981

“One group of Baptists which took years to figure out that abortion was murder and discounts the KJV as an unfaithful translation.”

No. One group had a moderate/liberal leadership that was fully ousted in the years following Roe v Wade. That group also recognizes the truth - that the KJV is a flawed translation. All are to some extent. In the case of the KJV, it is a decent translation EXCEPT that it promotes an ecclesiastical church hierarchy, and it did so because the translators were directed by King James to distort what the scripture says.

As for what the resolutions actually said: I quoted them, so anyone can take a look. It is dishonest to say the SBC’s official position was weak on abortion until 2003.

As for the KJV: The idea that it is a more accurate translation than the NASB or ESV is laughable. The additional work done on accurate manuscripts, our understanding of Greek & Hebrew, etc have all helped make superior modern translations. Add in that the English language has changed, so that “Thou shalt not kill” in the 1600s is the equivalent, in modern English, of “you shall not murder”, and it is obvious WHY we needed modern translations.

Of course, if you don’t mind not knowing what the 10 Commandments REALLY say...


409 posted on 07/27/2014 4:08:46 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers; af_vet_1981

The NASB and ESV are based on the deliberately corrupt Hort-Westcott Greek manipulation.

The KJV and Geneva are too influenced by the Pharisee consultants that were employed in translating the Hebrew scriptures, and upholding their false prohibition on declaring the name of Yehova, and his son Yeshua in their NT, but so are all the rest, without exception.

We do not need the lies that the “modern” re-hashes produce, nor the covering of the truth that they continue.

If you pray for understanding, you will see the errors in all of them, and can read around them.
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412 posted on 07/27/2014 4:19:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Mr Rogers
It is dishonest to say the SBC’s official position was weak on abortion until 2003.

I wrote that the SBC supported abortion, which is true. that they started to change, which is true, and that it took them until 2003 to fully rescind their 1971 and 1976 resolutions supporting abortion, which is also true. Anyone can read the SBC resolutions here and judge.

  1. 1971 "That we call upon Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother"
  2. 1974 "Therefore, be it RESOLVED, that we reaffirm the resolution on the subject adopted by the messengers to the St. Louis Southern Baptist Convention meeting in 1971"
  3. 1976 "Be it further RESOLVED, that we also affirm our conviction about the limited role of government in dealing with matters relating to abortion, and support the right of expectant mothers to the full range of medical services and personal counseling for the preservation of life and health."
  4. 1977 "Be it further RESOLVED, that we also affirm our conviction about the limited role of government in dealing with matters relating to abortion, and support the right of expectant mothers to the full range of medical services and personal counseling for the preservation of life and health."
  5. 1978 "Be it therefore RESOLVED, that we the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Atlanta in June 1978, reaffirm the resolution passed by the 1977 Kansas City Southern Baptist Convention."
  6. 1979 "Be it further RESOLVED, that we also affirm our conviction about the limited role of government in dealing with matters relating to abortion, and support the right of expectant mothers to the full range of medical services and personal counseling for the preservation of life and health. "
  7. 1980 finally starts to show some changes restricting a woman's right to choose "Be it further RESOLVED, That we abhor the use of tax money or public, tax-supported medical facilities for selfish, non-therapeutic abortion, and Be it finally RESOLVED, That we favor appropriate legislation and/or a constitutional amendment prohibiting abortion except to save the life of the mother."
  8. 1982 sees further progress that is basically affirming the Catholic position "Therefore, be it RESOLVED, That the messengers to the 1982 Southern Baptist Convention affirm that all human life, both born and pre-born, is sacred, bearing the image of God, and is not subject to personal judgments as to "quality of life" based on such subjective criteria as stage of development, abnormality, intelligence level, degree of dependency, cost of medical treatment, or inconvenience to parents. Be it further RESOLVED, That we abhor the use of federal, state or local tax money; public, tax-supported medical facilities; or Southern Baptist supported medical facilities for the practice of selfish, medically unnecessary abortions and/or the practice of withholding treatment from unwanted or defective newly born infants. Be it finally RESOLVED, That we support and will work for appropriate legislation and/or constitutional amendment which will prohibit abortions except to save the physical life of the mother, and that we also support and will work for legislation which will prohibit the practice of infanticide."
  9. It just gets better and better in the rest of the 1980s and 1990s
  10. 1996 "WHEREAS, The mother’s health exception has been completely discredited as a catch-all loophole which has been demonstrated to include any reason the mother so desires"
  11. until 2003 where the SBC confesses the 1971 and 1974 resolutions were unbiblical, repents, and all is forgiven. "WHEREAS, Resolutions passed by the Southern Baptist Convention in 1971 and 1974 accepted unbiblical premises of the abortion rights movement, forfeiting the opportunity to advocate the protection of defenseless women and children; ... RESOLVED, That we lament and renounce statements and actions by previous Conventions and previous denominational leadership that offered support to the abortion culture; and be it further RESOLVED, That we humbly confess that the initial blindness of many in our Convention to the enormity of Roe v. Wade should serve as a warning to contemporary Southern Baptists of the subtlety of the spirit of the age in obscuring a biblical worldview;"

451 posted on 07/27/2014 5:56:55 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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