Posted on 07/26/2014 4:41:46 AM PDT by michaelwlf3
I am coming up on my first year as an ordained minister in a continuing Anglican church, and I have noticed that participating on political forums (even when the topic is religious) I find that my opinions and postings more often than not generate more hatred than anything else. Among the things I often hear are that the laity are the real priests and that I am a Pharisee, that my vocation disqualifies me from offering an opinion on anything Christian because I am too narrow minded, and (my personal favorite) because I look too Catholic I must be a child molester.
Are these people really Christians?
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That's not quite what the word of God says:
Hebrews 6:
[1] Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
[2] Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
[3] And this will we do, if God permit.
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
>> “Is this your attempt at interpreting what someone else says? Shouldn’t that be their OWN responsibility?” <<
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It is not Cronos, but you that are unable to read and understand plainly stated words. (especially those of the Word of God)
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Yes, in Greek, not in the original language,
The Holy Spirit is the one who defines what baptism is in Greek, and what i said is what is taught.
And injecting John 3 into your reply is deceptive, since Yeshua used a word truly representing a birth of a new creature, rather that the same creature re-experiencing a birth.
Indeed, being born of the Spirit truly is the birth of a essentially "new creature," for whom "old things are passed away, and behold, all things are become new," (2Cor. 5:17) and which baptism signifies, death to the flesh and being raised as a new creature to walk in newness of life. (Rm. 6:4) Thanks be to God.
Yeshua is clearly not speaking of the Mikva,
Indeed, i never said Jn. 3:3-7 is speaking about baptism, but being born of the Spirit which baptism signifies, not "actual escape from the physical universe" which being born of the Spirit now is necessary for.
Your denial of this despite the evidence is one reason why your have rendered yourself unfit for further efforts at dialog.
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The modifications of scripture and denials are all yours.
I go only by the clear words of scripture, not imagined add-ons like you seem to prefer.
Try accepting Yeshua’s words at face value for a refreshing revelation.
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As all cults claim, as is true of your unnamed one.
The “unnamed cult” of obedience.
You could call it the First John believers’ cult.
Or the John 3:13 believers’ cult.
Since no man but Yeshua has ascended, no man can possibly have been “born again” into the Kingdom!
See how the plain words of the scriptures blow holes in your imaginary theology.
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Then why not name the group you are in? It sure sounds like Armstrongism.
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You could call it the First John believers’ cult. Or the John 3:13 believers’ cult.Since no man but Yeshua has ascended, no man can possibly have been “born again” into the Kingdom! See how the plain words of the scriptures blow holes in your imaginary theology.
How you can imagine that that this blows "holes in your imaginary theology," and your rejection of texts which teach believers are born of the Spirit and place believers into the kingdom, and the rejection of first John - which esp. being by the same writer as Jn. 3 interpretive of it - is a example of the cultic nature of your doctrine which rejects the comprehensive evidence against it and compels text to conform to its cultic conclusions.
Believers are indeed "born" from above, that being "born of the Spirit," being begotten as a child of God by the Spirit as new creations, by faith in the word of God, and placed in the kingdom, so that to die now is to be with the Lord, versus being only born according to the flesh.
And which birth as a child of God - with God being with Him now which Christ supremely exampled - (Jn. 3:2) is what Jn. 3 is contextually about. And is what "ascended up to heaven" fits into, the Christ from Heaven dying and rising so that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Which is a present possession. (1Jn. 5:13)
And which event is necessary to see the resurrection and literal kingdom of God, but which is not said to be spiritual birth by the Spirit by which one become a child of God, but is simply believers receiving their body from Heaven, the only sense in which one is born being physically from the dead.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. (1 Peter 1:23)
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him. (1 John 2:29)
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. (1 John 5:1)
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. (Galatians 4:29)
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth [willfully, habitually] not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. (1 John 5:18)
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (2 Corinthians 5:17)
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: (Colossians 1:13)
For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: (Philippians 1:23)
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. (2 Corinthians 5:6-8)
You attempt to support your non-scriptural ‘theology’ by throwing hay at the fire that is consuming you.
I hold to no ‘ism’ but the scriptures as plainly read (the same scriptures that you imply need your special interpretation.
Are you of the interpretationist cult?
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You have finally earned your place on the “unfit for exchange” list, a coveted position.
Bye.
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