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To: CynicalBear
and you decide that you know better.........<< Hail Mary……………………

seems to me that Hail, full of grace is DIRECTLY out of the bible as is "the lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb JESUS....what did the Catholics make up there????

303 posted on 07/14/2014 7:17:52 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: terycarl
full of grace is DIRECTLY out of the bible

So true.

But; what is the Catholic definition of 'full of grace'?

What does in mean, to the Catholic trained (well catechized) mind?

339 posted on 07/14/2014 7:45:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl; CynicalBear
seems to me that Hail, full of grace is DIRECTLY out of the bible as is "the lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb JESUS....what did the Catholics make up there????

It was a greeting from the angel to Mary. It was not a prayer and nowhere is it commanded to repeat it as a prayer.

Try again.

369 posted on 07/14/2014 8:09:34 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: terycarl; CynicalBear

*seems to me*....

Does that make it your own personal interpretation?

Well, by Catholic standards, that just invalidates anything you have to say after that.


371 posted on 07/14/2014 8:10:55 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: terycarl

The reasons and promises for praying the rosary are unbiblical...

The lies are found when testing the promises the catholic church hand out with their rosary beads- at least the ones I received had an instruction manual.

The 15 promises in the how to pray the rosary manual... Her own ‘son’ proved that spirit to be a liar on her very first ‘promise’ when He quoted His Word in Torah when Messiah was tempted by satan..

No lies ever lead to the Truth...
Which should concern people who accept number 14 below..

Protestants should concern themselves with what they do accept as givens with their mother..

All I ever needed to learn about the mother church, I learned from this mary... which scripture proves is a liar.

And protestants should worry about that....because that lying spirit does point to ‘Jesus’ in 14.

1. Whoever shall faithfully SERVE ME (MARY) by the recitation of the Rosa, shall receive signal graces.

2. I promise My special protection and the greatest graces to all who shall recite the Rosary.
3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.
4. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
5. The soul which recommends itself to Me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.
6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its sacred mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.
7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.
8. Those who are faithful in reciting the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plenitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the saints in paradise.
9. I shall deliver from purgatory, those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
11. You shall obtain all you ask of Me by the recitation of the Rosary.
12. All those who propagate the holy Rosary shall be aided by Me in their necessities.
13. I have obtained from My Divine Son, that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors, the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death.
14. All who recite the Rosary are My sons, and brothers of My only son Jesus Christ.
15. Devotion to My Rosary is a great sign of pre-destination.


390 posted on 07/14/2014 9:08:07 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: terycarl
>> what did the Catholics make up there????<<

Is it then your contention that the angel was actually praying to Mary when he said “hail Mary”? That’s what Catholics are doing. (and please don’t come back with “we don’t pray to Mary. That’s been debunked by the very prayers listed on Catholic sites.) Jesus said to pray directly to the Father in His name. Catholics disrespect both the Father and Jesus when they pray to Mary.

483 posted on 07/15/2014 9:25:12 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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