Pope: No-work Sundays good, not just for faithful

Washington Post ^ | July 5, 2014 | Associated Press

[delchiante]

CAMPOBASSO, Italy — Pope Francis says abandoning the traditionally Christian practice of not working on Sundays isn’t such a good change. Francis on Saturday traveled to Molise, an agricultural region in the heart of southern Italy where unemployment is chronically high. While he said poor people need employment to have dignity, he disagreed with opening stores and other businesses on Sundays as a way to create jobs.m

[delchiante]

Quote- By the way, it would be nice if businesses would close on holidays too. Being open on Christmas, for example, is outrageous

Christmaa is no more a holy day than July 4 on our Heavenly Father’s calendar.

Our heavenly Father’s calendar with His new moons, Sabbaths and feasts all point to His only begotten Son..

And christmas/december 25 is not on that calendar. Neither is easter...

But the world has accepted the pope gregory calendar and its sabbaths and holy days as worthy substitutes for Scripture and His appointed/set times..

Only one calendar points to the major events of our Messiah’s life..
And it isn’t the one the world uses-and that isn’t an accident...

[piusv]

Yes, I was questioning it. I also looked into this homily. I’m not sure which post it is but I posted the full homily and I saw nothing about work on Sunday (unless I posted the wrong homily).

[delchiante]

Saturn’s’Day is still an acceptance of the premise of the pope gregory calendar being the accurate timekeeping device.

Jews prove the pope gregory calendar is a counterfeit when they have suspension rules and postponement rules for His feasts if they interfere/conflict with their pope gregory appointed sabbath.

Our Heavenly Father’s calendar has no postponements or suspension rules..
At least none found in His Holy Word...

But they too have abandoned what He showed them.. They were to teach us..
And they have become just as worldly as any of us...

[Mrs. Don-o]

But scripture says you should not forsake "the assembling together with believers" (some translations say "your meeting together with the faithful" LINK) and says if there any disputes, you should take them to the church.

So it seems you have an opinion on a matter which you do not think important enough to do in real life?

I say this not in an accusatory way, but just to express my puzzlement as to how you would be so attached to the Word in theory but not in practice.

[Salvation]

Are you familiar with the Gregorian calendar or the liturgical calendar?

[delchiante]

His calendar has no days named after gods, goddesses, creations...

The pope gregory calendar floats around our Heavenly Father’s calendar.

Today is a work day in His third month.. Tomorrow, and for four weeks, will actually be His seventh day Sabbath...

But then it will ‘change’ on the pope Gregory calendar next ‘month’, either Moons day PR Tiw’s day for four weeks...

But on His calendar, it never changes... His template is found in Ezekiel 46:1,
Shown throughout Torah and confirmed with each major life event of the Messiah of Israel..

New moons, Sabbaths and Feasts that are ignored or erased in Christianity are actually markers for our Messiah’s life (birth, circumcision, dedication, baptism, death, resting in tomb, and resurrection)

All of those are important on our Heavenly Father’s calendar for logical reasons.
on the worlds calendar? Not so much..

Do we actually believe the Word became flesh and dwelt among us or is that just symbolic and not ‘literal’?
Probably depends on who you follow....

[piusv]

Does anyone understand what delchiante is saying? If so, could you please help me out?

[delchiante]

You accept the world’s premise that the world doesn’t counterfeit our Heavenly Father’s calendar

I don’t accept that premise...

In gregorian june, Frigg/Friya’s day was His seventh day Sabbath for four weeks...
And it will be A Sun’s Day for parts of gregorian july for four..

And then it will be either a Moons day or Tiw’s day next ‘month’..

The pope gregory calendar floats around His calendar...His Calendar has been abandoned but it can be found in scripture.. and can be observed but it isn’t for those who like the world and its systems...

And nurses and doctors are samaritans caring for the sick.. I think that counts as doing good any day...

[SpeakerToAnimals]

Very few know of the Holy calendar with 30 day months and a 360 day year. IIRC it has a 19 year cycle. I am going by memory so correct me if I am wrong.

[paintriot]

Assembly I find less important than the Commandments, but that’s just me. Yes I do sometimes feel it would be nice to hang out with other believers, but not enough to do it.

Mostly because I can read for myself what the Word says and don’t need an interpreter. Do you need a politician to tell you what the Constitution says or means? I would rather read and interpret it myself.

I don’t condemn whatever your practices are. You do your thing your way and I’ll do my thing my way.

[delchiante]

You consider yourself a non-catholic, yet your entire life- work, worship, etc, is based on the pope gregory calendar and its definitions of what is a work day, sabbath, holy day..

They are counterfeits of what Scripture gives us..

And counterfeits are not genuine... they just look and feel like truth...

That is the point... you are blindly following because it is all you ever learned.. there is another calendar that actually points to the Messiah..

Observing His calendar, sunsday hasn’t been a Sabbath day on since Gregorian February.. but good news is it will be for four weeks coming up..

So even people stumble into it without knowing...(but so do Jews and Muslims without knowing it)

The calendar in scripture isn’t taught in church or by Israel, who was given it...they too have substituted His for the world’s..

Scripture says the whole world will be deceived.. and non catholics will rally around this pope without even testing...
Blind faith is dangerous but unlearning and admitting one has been duped is a shot to one’s pride..

I am not that prideful to know I was blindly accepting the world..

Praise and Glory all to Him who has shown me His timekeeping that puts this world in its rightful counterfeit place...

But certainly following the world is an option .

[ravenwolf]

I am amazed folks think Sunday is the Sabbath. They must have dusty Bibles.

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It is more than I can understand..

[delchiante]

Both are counterfeits to our Heavenly Father’s calendar that uses His sun, moon and stars for signs, seasons, days and years... all calculated calendars use only pieces of His clock.

His calendar shows us, with His New moons, Sabbaths and Feasts, our Messiah’s life on earth and His coming Kingdom...

Israel was given it... and abandoned it.. although they will have some sort of template a couple times a year ( unless His feasts conflict with their pope appointed weekly sabbath)

The new moons, Sabbaths and feasts were perfectly fulfilled with our Messiah with His birth, circumcision, dedication, baptism, death, rest in tomb, and resurrection..

All of those big events for our Messiah fell on a new moon, Sabbath or feast found only on His calendar..
And scripture confirms it or shows hints to each of these if one seeks.

But the bride appears happy with december 25 and easter ‘instead of’ the genuine.

Those are counterfeits if one learns His timekeeping...but it won’t be taught by a church who accepts the world and its timekeeping premises and traditions that trump scripture.

I only know it by His grace and mercy. It isn’t new.. it is very old..

All praise and glory is His!

[Mrs. Don-o]

But I’m still so curious. Are you a Seventh Day Baptist? Or Seventh Day Church of God? Or some Noahide congregation? Or rather, what church are you affiliated with?

[ravenwolf]

Saturn’s’Day is still an acceptance of the premise of the pope gregory calendar being the accurate timekeeping device.

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Yes but they changed it to Sunday by their calendar.
It appears to me that the six days God created every thing on the earth may have been 6000 years or sixty thousand year, or even 600,000.

As far as the Sabbath is concerned it was to be on the seventh day, according to my calendar Saturday is the seventh day.

The rest is obviously referring to every 7 literal day because God did say that six days we would labor and rest on the seventh.

I have no way of knowing any more than that, if you believe it was on another day then feel free to tell me what day it was on.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Do you, or does your faith community, teach Kosher dietary rules, ritual purifications, circumcision, rules on which days to have intercourse and not to have intercourse based on the menstrual cycle, prohibition of mixed-fiber fabrics, etc.

I'm not being sarcastic --- I rather admire the Haredi Jewish community for their all-the-way-ness--- I'm just curious about how much of the Torah you and your co-believers practice.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Christ said He was building a Church, and the gates of hell would not prevail against it.

But some seem to have prevailed against it in their own hearts, by their rejection and/or neglect. To their detriment, I think.

"Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son." (Acts 20:28)

So the Church was obtained by the blood of Christ, and the Holy Spirit has provided overseers; but some do not think they need an overseer!

St. Paul says "God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers; then deeds of power, then gifts of healing, forms of assistance, forms of leadership, various kinds of tongues.(1 Corinthians 12:28)

So God has appointed teachers, but some do not think they need to be taught!

How much wiser than Christ they must think themselves to be!

St. Paul says the church is the Body of Christ. But I've met some in my travels, who claim to love Jesus but don't care for the Body of Christ; indeed, they tear the Body of Christ apart.

[delchiante]

No church affiliation. I was attending an orthodox presbyterian church and then He revealed His timekeeping to me..

There is no church I know of that is willing to abandon the world for His timekeeping..
But I am commanded to be not conformed to the world..

Thankfully, I had already quit my job to do His will before He showed me His timekeeping that would have conflicted with what I was doing previously..

That would not have been an easy choice to follow Him with everything... the world isn’t set up to follow Him..

[knarf]

"You consider yourself a non-catholic, yet your entire life- work, worship, etc, is based on the pope gregory calendar and its definitions of what is a work day, sabbath, holy day..

I was a kid in Boston that had blue laws until I was around 16 or so ... what's with the religious accusations ?

If your comment that I "consider" myself a non-Catholic (YOU didn't capitalize ... are YOU paying attention ???) .. was meant to imply that I AM a Catholic ... you'll have to explain THOSE connected dots before you can continue

Perhaps your numerologistic view might be more welcome in the cabal than here.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Ah. So the gates of hell (the wrong-calendar-people) have prevailed over His Church. Interesting.