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Anglicans Set to Remove Satan from Baptismal Rite
Crisis Magazine ^ | June 30, 2014 | ANNE HENDERSHOTT

Posted on 06/30/2014 9:01:20 AM PDT by NYer

Queen Elizabeth baptism

Declaring that the devil has departed from the Church of England’s baptism service, the Guardian reported on June 20 that “a simplified baptism which omits mention of the devil” is now favored by the clergy who have test-marketed it throughout the United Kingdom. Claiming that the traditional rejection of the devil and all rebellion against God “put off people who are offended to be addressed as sinners,” clergy claimed that they found it much easier to ask parents and godparents to make vows that do not mention Satan.

Responding to a population “which sees no pressing reason to spend Sunday mornings or any other time in Church,” the Guardian reports, the new and improved baptism service also deletes the instruction to the godparents that the child will keep God’s commandments, and learn what a Christian “ought to know and believe to his soul’s health”—promising only that the church “shall do all that we can to ensure that there is a welcoming place for you. We will play our part in helping you guide these children along the way of faith.”

The proposal to delete the devil from the ritual received initial approval by the House of Bishops and will be debated by the Anglican General Synod in York this July. If approved, these changes may reveal that the Church of England is losing its sense of sin—and its need for salvation. More than 60 years ago, T.S. Eliot wrote about the sense of alienation that occurred when social regulators—like the church—began to splinter and the controlling moral authority of a society is no longer effective. He suggested that a “sense of sin” was beginning to disappear. In his play “The Cocktail Party,” a troubled young woman confides in her psychiatrist that she feels “sinful” because of her relationship with a married man. She is distressed not so much by the illicit relationship, but rather, by the strange sense of sin. Eliot writes that “having a sense of sin seems abnormal, she believed that she had become ill.”

Writing in 1950, Eliot knew that the language of sin was declining even then. Yet most of us would assume that the concept of sin was still strong because the churches—like the Church of England—seemed so strong. Looking back, though, it seems that the sense of sin was already beginning to be replaced by an emerging therapeutic culture. Within a growing culture of liberation, people no longer viewed themselves as sinful when they drank too much, took drugs, or engaged in violent or abusive behaviors. Rather, such actions were increasingly viewed as indicators that such individuals were victims of an illness they had little control over.

Sociologist Philip Rieff warned in his now-classic book of the 1960s, The Triumph of the Therapeutic, that “psychological man was beginning to replace Christian man” as the dominant character type in our society. Unlike traditional Christianity, which made moral demands on believers, the secular world of “psychological man” rejects both the idea of sin and the need for salvation.” The transformation is now complete in the Church of England.

Satan has been called an “evil genius” because he has been able to convince so many that he does not exist. In his satirical Screwtape Letters, C.S. Lewis creates a senior demon named Screwtape who is instructing Wormwood, his young protege, on how best to capture a soul for hell. He tells him that the most effective thing he can do to bring souls to hell is to convince people that Satan does not even exist. “The fact that devils are predominantly comic figures in the modern imagination will help you. If any faint suspicion of your existence begins to arise in his mind, suggest to him a picture of something in red tights, and persuade him that since he cannot believe in that, he therefore cannot believe in you.”

Unlike the Church of England, which is helping people move away from thoughts of the devil, Pope Francis has spoken often of Satan as the “prince of this world,” and the “father of lies.” He cautioned in his book On Heaven and Earth that, “Satan’s fruits are destruction, division, hatred and calumny.” In response, the faithful are beginning to flock to a shepherd that reminds them that it is the “work of the devil” to ignore the plight of the poor and to reject the humanity of all persons—including the weakest and least powerful.

One wonders why the Church of England will even bother to perform baptismal ceremonies at all when the real purpose of such a service has been lost. Rituals are important, though, as author, P.D. James writes in her chilling novel Children of Man. Set in a dystopian world in the year 2021 in which the entire human race has become infertile, the author describes a society in which the last child had been born two decades earlier, and where the “new trend” in cities such as London is to hold elaborate christening ceremonies for kittens—replete with flowing white christening dresses and lace bonnets for the feline newborns. In such a society, the clergy is pleased to preside over the ritual because it gives so much joy to the childless “parents” of the kittens.

The Church of England’s revised baptismal ritual will be voted upon next month in Kent at their General Synod. It will likely pass because it has been driven by a powerful division within the clergy, which is determined to demonstrate that the Church of England is a progressive church that no longer needs to recognize the need to renounce Satan in order to live in the freedom of the children of God.



TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: anglican; baptism; satan
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To: wagglebee
I think the thing that really made the first two movies was Robert Duvall's portrayal of Tom Hagen. On the surface he was very calm and nonviolent, but in reality he was possibly the coldest and most ruthless of all.

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Yes. As perhaps the best example, he had a hand in Kay's abortion, and possibly some influence. It's also made quite clear that he was adopted, and seemed always to be trying to prove himself to Vito and Michael. Until the abortion, that is, and then his motives seem much more complicated.

41 posted on 06/30/2014 10:34:16 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
I always thought that the abortion was Kay's idea and that he just helped facilitate it.

He for certain orchestrated the murder of the prostitute that they used to blackmail the senator.

42 posted on 06/30/2014 10:38:36 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim from C-Town
The truth Is that the Anglican Church sprang from the bollocks of Henry VIII. It was a Church born out of the desire of Henry to marry and divorce as many women as he needed

Too simplistic. The reformation had begun 16 years before Henry VIII was excommunicated.

43 posted on 06/30/2014 10:40:56 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: AU72

LOL “the Obtuse”-— truly what a moron Battenburg (excuse me
Mountbatten-Windsor... NOT!). Killing true faith through weak minds and removal of scripture. Deo Vindice.


44 posted on 06/30/2014 10:41:55 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: NYer

“is now favored by the clergy who have test-marketed it throughout the United Kingdom”

Test-marketed? Really? So, baptism in the C of E isn’t a sacrament, its a campaign slogan? Do they periodically “test market” their Creed?

Maybe they “poll” to see what should be a sin or one of the ten commandments this year?


45 posted on 06/30/2014 10:44:01 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Raycpa
Usually the simplest explanation is the most truthful.
46 posted on 06/30/2014 10:46:13 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: wagglebee

I think that it was her idea, but I don’t recall that he did anything to stop it. He also didn’t tell Michael, to whom he should have been loyal. In the scene where Kay tells Michael (out of cruelty and vindictiveness, imho), he is faced with the murder of his child by his wife and friend (Tom), the fact that another man (Tom) was involved with his wife in that crime, and the hatred his wife feels for him, hatred that has been growing for years.

Yes, the murder of the prostitute is another example. In some respects, Tom sometimes seems almost sociopathic, except in his relationships with the family, and that broke down when he chose Kay over Michael.


47 posted on 06/30/2014 10:47:21 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
Great analysis.
48 posted on 06/30/2014 10:51:04 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Thank you! One of the reasons I watch both movies almost every year is because I find something new, or see something in a different way almost every time. In many ways, Kay is the character that I despise the most.


49 posted on 06/30/2014 10:56:48 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Political decisions are never simplistic. They always have many layers of issues and often create strange alliances. Henry VIII would need alliances if he were to go against the Pope. The national and international alliances were ready made by Luther’s influence throughout the world and within England. In addition, by nationalizing the Church he could tap into the RC Church’s wealth and influence.

Upon Henry VIII’s death the Church came back under the Pope because of his sister Mary who succeeded to the throne.

Finally, it was Queen Elizabeth I who made England a protestant nation after Queen Mary.

So, the simple version of the truth is it was Queen Elizabeth not Henry VIII who separated the Anglican Church from Rome.


50 posted on 06/30/2014 11:01:31 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

Political decisions are almost always simplistic. It was in Henry’s perceived best interest to do what he wanted to do so he did it.

It is as simple as that.


51 posted on 06/30/2014 11:09:43 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: trisham
In many ways, Kay is the character that I despise the most.

Kay knew from the opening scene in the first movie EXACTLY what the Corleone family was capable of and she knew that Michael was a part of it when she married him. Then, knowing everything, she went along with the evil for years, but would still try to show moral outrage when it suited her.

52 posted on 06/30/2014 11:12:08 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Kay knew from the opening scene in the first movie EXACTLY what the Corleone family was capable of and she knew that Michael was a part of it when she married him. Then, knowing everything, she went along with the evil for years, but would still try to show moral outrage when it suited her.

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Yes, I couldn't agree more. When Michael rejected Kay by marrying another woman, it was clear that he didn't love her, yet knowing that, she agreed to marry him after the death of his wife. How does Michael propose to Kay? By telling her that he wants someone to bear his children. How does she get revenge? By killing one of his children.

53 posted on 06/30/2014 11:22:20 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Gumdrop
The anglicans are going the way of the catholic church in Southeast France when the Cathar cult dominated for 300 years (beginning @ 1009 with the first executions for heresy).

The Cathars didn't believe in Satan, Marriage, or Baptism and lots of catholic congregations left Christianity in droves to join in the fun and frolic of Catharism.

At length, after the vain expenditure of much effort, with the advice and assistance of the archbishops of Lyon and Narbonne, the Bishop of Nevers, several abbots, and many other learned men, they (the Cathars) were adjudged guilty of the charge that, while paying lip service to the unity of the Divine Essence, they rejected absolutely all the holy sacraments of the Universal Church: specifically, the baptism of children, the Eucharist, the seal of the life-giving Cross, sprinkling with holy water, the building of churches, good works in tithes and offerings, the marital relations of husband and wife, the monastoc life, and all the functions of clergy and priests.

http://www.cathar.info/12011405_sacrements.htm

It took the Roman Church nearly 300 years to pull out the heretics - the Cathars and the Waldensians - from all over Europe.

Catholics shielded the cathars in their churches and paid the ultimate price - "Kill them all - God will know his own" still rings true today.

Simon de Montfort led the Christian effort to retake Le Languedoc for Christianity. Who will retake Britain and the dying Anglicans?

54 posted on 06/30/2014 11:36:54 AM PDT by x_plus_one (The enemy is at the gate and the writing is on the wall. Islam Delenda Est.)
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To: x_plus_one
My Catholic Baptismal Rite (which we renew each year at Easter time) asks us right up-front Do You Reject Satan?

Granted my grandmother was not a fan of the old Polish priest who stood outside the Church with Holy Water and would not let my newborn self enter until after he "had driven the Devil out" of me.

But I never want them to change that promise.


55 posted on 06/30/2014 11:42:15 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NYer
There are many traditional Anglicans (e.g., members of the Anglican Church in North America and of the provinces of the Southern Cone) who don't accept what the CoE and the Protestant Episcopal Church in the USA (PECUSA) / TEC have done and are doing. I am one of them, which is one reason why I subscribe to this thread. Thinking, common sense Christians know that the universe makes sense only in the context of a vital belief in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, and also with the knowledge of the permeating presence of Satan in a broken and sinful world. CoE and PECUSA/TEC are no longer Christian denominations; they simply have become secular social clubs for the misguided left.
56 posted on 06/30/2014 1:09:42 PM PDT by twister881
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To: CTrent1564
There were some American Protestants a few years ago what were planning to use Modalist-Functional language in Baptisms, i.e. Creator, Redeemer, Sanctifier, etc. and even the US Bishops showed some backbone and stated such Baptisms would be seen by the Catholic Church has “invalid”

I don't remember that. Thanks for pointing it out.

57 posted on 06/30/2014 1:26:39 PM PDT by piusv
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To: Jim from C-Town

Yes, but the Anglican Church did not start with Henry VIII. That was the simplistic statement. It started with the Reformation, was put on hold when Henry VIII died and then was finally instituted under Queen Elizabeth.


58 posted on 06/30/2014 1:44:36 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: NYer
In the Baptismal Rite in the Catholic Church:
Priest: Do you renounce Satan?
The person being baptized or the God parents respond "Yes"
Priest: And all his works?"
Response: "Yes"

So what are people going to say in the Anglican Church now when that question is asked?

59 posted on 06/30/2014 2:40:02 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: trisham

You are correct.


60 posted on 06/30/2014 2:43:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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