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The Catholic Thing ^ | June 22, 2014 | Kristina Johannes

Posted on 06/22/2014 2:42:07 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Mr Rogers
It has been my experience, for example, that those who have not raised kids offer inferior advice on how to do so.

We have a religious sister at our parish who spent over 40 years as a school teacher and principal. I've found her counsel on child-rearing extremely helpful.

21 posted on 06/22/2014 4:07:14 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Cynicism is a far greater spiritual danger than naivete." ~ Stephen Webb)
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To: Mr Rogers

How do you presume to know how God treats his priest? You really have no idea what it’s about. All you can think of sex. Is that all your marriage is about? I think you need to get over this.


22 posted on 06/22/2014 4:07:43 PM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: Tax-chick

They think our religious and clergy live in a box and only come out on Sunday, or when they want molest kids or kill babies and drink their blood. ;) Broken record.


23 posted on 06/22/2014 4:10:49 PM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: BipolarBob

I guess the two following passages have nothing to with what God proclaimed??

God the Son said this: “ For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from [their] mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it].” Matthew 19:12

And then St. Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians (7:7): “For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.”

No, those wouldn’t have anything to do it, not at all. Sheesh.


24 posted on 06/22/2014 4:12:15 PM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: defconw

“How do you presume to know how God treats his priest? You really have no idea what it’s about. All you can think of sex. Is that all your marriage is about? I think you need to get over this.”

I think you need to repent of your sins.

I know God treats priests and all humans with perfect justice and love, and my spouse does not always do so. And I did not write about sex. My marriage, now in year 27, doesn’t need your advice, and I think you need to get over yourself.


25 posted on 06/22/2014 4:15:38 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Left wing. Right wing. One buzzard.)
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To: defconw

I just don’t know. One of my friends had a religious brother of the Marianist order who lived next door to her. He was an attorney. When her husband left her with extreme prejudice - things like having the power to the house turned off without telling her - the Brother represented her in the divorce at a very modest fee. How could they not understand all the realities of married life?

Our Sister Veronica came from a family of 10 children; she was 8th or 9th, and their father died before she was 10. Before she went into the convent, she saw not only her parents’ life but her older siblings’ marriages. We could just sit trading stories for hours, until finally, “I have another appointment, Cynthia.” “Oh, shoot, Sister, I think Tom’s making lunch at home!”

They don’t have infant oblates any more. Everyone is in real life.


26 posted on 06/22/2014 4:16:25 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Cynicism is a far greater spiritual danger than naivete." ~ Stephen Webb)
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To: SpirituTuo; NYer
"which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake"
Did the Church make them or command them? No. They did it of themselves.

"But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.”
Sounds pretty much like Paul is leaving the door open . . One man after this manner (celibacy) and another after that (marriage). There is NO requirement to be celibate recorded for clergy. Some prophets were married and some were not.

27 posted on 06/22/2014 4:25:37 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Obama - The Scandal a Week President.)
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To: Bill93

Priests do for nothing what shrinks get paid a $100 dollars an hour for.


28 posted on 06/22/2014 4:32:05 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself")
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To: Mr Rogers

Why do you feel the need to stick your beak into our Church then? I really don’t know what your issues are, but I’ll take care of my soul and you take care of yours, OK?


29 posted on 06/22/2014 4:34:35 PM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: Tax-chick
That must be it. We are still paying for the convent and seminary schools of old. I know the priests I've know through the years are pretty normal people. Like you said, they have parents, siblings, nieces, nephews, friends who have kids. They don't live in a pod.

IIRC, and I do, one of the reasons the sisters dropped the habit, was they felt that people did not approach them as people.

30 posted on 06/22/2014 4:38:23 PM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: defconw; Mr Rogers
All you can think of sex.

Now you can read peoples minds?? You are making it personal and that is not allowed. Mr Rogers was conducting himself deliberately and courteously. You have not.

31 posted on 06/22/2014 4:41:15 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Obama - The Scandal a Week President.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Pope John Paul II would go to Confession weekly.

All men, including priests, and all women, including nuns and sisters, know they are sinners.

What’s your point?


32 posted on 06/22/2014 4:44:31 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: BipolarBob
If you are not Catholic I don't see why you care. Either of you. You don't see me sticking my beak into any thing about Lutherans, Presbyterians, Baptists, Evangelicals, etc. Go ahead and look.
33 posted on 06/22/2014 4:49:22 PM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: defconw

Well I’ll tell you why I care. The article starts off with a straw man argument. “The accepted wisdom is that celibate males have no business telling married couples how to live their lives”. I don’t think that is accurate. Priests may do very well at counseling as well as any married counselor who has had proper training. So I think this article has a false premise. I challenge it. Otherwise I might as well agree with it if I don’t challenge it. We can follow the rules of debating without resorting to name calling or making it personal (like you did).


34 posted on 06/22/2014 4:58:36 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Obama - The Scandal a Week President.)
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To: BipolarBob
"The accepted wisdom is that your church has no business telling the clergy that have to be celibate when that is clearly not what God has proclaimed." Your Quote.

You attacked my Church and my clergy, I defended. I didn't call you any names. Go back and read the threads I called you not one name.

Your attempt to silence me has failed.

35 posted on 06/22/2014 5:04:42 PM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: Tax-chick

BINGO! We have a winner!


36 posted on 06/22/2014 5:10:53 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Tax-chick
Bishop Slattery wrote that celibacy, whether of clergy/religious or simply chaste unmarried/widowed people, is a sign of the Resurrection, when there will be neither marrying nor giving in marriage.

That's pretty meaningless...Perhaps the guy should have said it's a sign of the Resurrected...But it's still meaningless since in after the Resurrection there will be no desire for relations with the opposite sex to contend with...

37 posted on 06/22/2014 5:13:29 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: defconw

Good grief, why all the attacking from the non-Catholics?


38 posted on 06/22/2014 5:14:23 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Mr Rogers

39 posted on 06/22/2014 5:15:38 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Biggirl

I don’t know . The word Catholic is like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Day after day, after day.


40 posted on 06/22/2014 5:16:01 PM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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