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To: ebb tide

“Wrong, again.”

No, I was right. That won’t change.

“The effect of giving a pectoral cross to a “bishop” in a heretical “church” is not “nil”.”

In its effect upon the status of the person receiving it is. The “archbishop of Canterbury” is no more of a real bishop than he was last year. The Protestant receiving a rosary is no more of a baptized and confirmed Catholic than he was before receiving the rosary. That is simply irrefutable.

“It is cause for scandal and it confuses weak Catholics like some on this forum, to think Anglican clergymen have valid orders.”

Nope. First, few Catholics here “weak Catholics”. Second, only an idiot would think a gift of a cross means someone giving it must think the one receiving it is already in possession of valid orders when he, in fact, knows otherwise and acts otherwise by supporting the strictures underlying Anglicanorum coetibus.

But keep embarrassing yourself anyway.


100 posted on 06/21/2014 4:56:33 PM PDT by vladimir998
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Funny you should mention Anglicanorum coetibus. From the very next section (after the last bit I posted that was widely ignored) of the original article we find:

And you haven't heard him talk much about the Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham or the provisions of the Apostolic Constitution 'Anglicanorum coetibus' of Pope Benedict XVI, have you?

For many Roman Catholic traditionalists, this is one hell of an ecumenical mess, sending out confusing messages about the Faith, the (Roman) Catholic Church and the uniqueness of ministry of the Vicar of Christ. They may think this a false expression of showman humility — a theatrical performance; a patronising gesture of genuine compassion but counterfeit ecclesiology. But His Grace detects a spiritual, doctrinal and moral shift in ecumenical relations. Pope Francis is more Anglican than many believe, or would find it possible to admit.

Before anyone goes any nuttier, the author of the article is apparently a member of the CofE and NOT a Catholic. So no matter his intention the pope is causing confusion.

107 posted on 06/21/2014 5:36:00 PM PDT by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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