Posted on 06/20/2014 6:23:47 AM PDT by Weiss White
Q: My daughter stopped practicing her faith and was married to a protestant in his church. Now she has come back, and her protestant husband is preparing to become a Catholic too, next Easter. They understand that their marriage isn’t valid in the eyes of the Catholic Church, but the parish priest told them he can just “bless their marriage” and it will be all right. Can that possibly be true? –Eamon
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They're probably holding out til you are on your death bead...No doubt they're wanting that cash for the bishop's benevolent fund...
One is not to change diocese. It is determined by where you live. I will blast the church I could not afford to belong to. I never said they were corrupt (you lie). I said I couldn’t afford to be Catholic. I have found when I was poor and lived in a poor community the Catholic church was a far bettor institution than the Catholic church in the suburbs. Your denial of the truth is what is laughable. BTW...married 38 years now.
Just because you repeat that lie often doesn't make it true...Let's see your proof...
I was reading some thread on Bradford, the Pilgrims, etc. It had his diary. There was a part in his diary where he talks about the first wedding they had in America. The quote was something like “After much consideration and scripture, it was decided to have it a civil ceremony. Who are we to go against the dictates of God.” It surprised the heck out of me!
My understanding, Sitetest (and this is a question to you) is that one of the most straight forward reasons for legit annulments from the Church is if one person was under the influence of substance abuse at the time of marriage, alcoholic or otherwise.
The paperwork I recall reading stated that this was because it was impossible for someone to truly enter into the compacts professed to the other and the Church in that altered and dependent state.
Does that jive with your knowledge?
Yes, I am saying you certainly could have moved.
Q. Why did God make me?
A. To know Him, to love Him, to serve Him in this life, and to be happy with Him forever in the next.
In Catholicism, having a "personal relationship" with God is vital. In the first question from the Baltimore Catechism, we learn that we are made to know God. Not "to know OF Him," but to know Him.
Nonetheless, Catholicism isn't only about "Jesus and me." From the first days of the Church, the disciples met together to read scripture, to pray, to praise God, to confess their sins to one another, and to share the Eucharist.
Indeed, the spreading of the Gospel of Jesus is inherently a social activity, between people. I'm unaware of anyone today hearing the Gospel for the first time from God, Himself. It appears to be God's plan to work through human beings to help each other in our journey toward Heaven.
As to the authority to bless in the name of God, Jesus commanded His disciples to go forth and baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. This is a blessing done in God's name. By Jesus' command. As well, Jesus gave the apostles the power to forgive and retain sin. Certainly, to forgive sin is a blessing. No blasphemy here.
sitetest
Thanks for the education. Sincerely. As you said, you learn something new everyday.
re>Yes, I am saying you certainly could have moved.
You say a lot of silly things. I could barely afford to eat let alone move somewhere else.
ping
Moving could have fixed both your problems, perhaps? Who knows.
In any event, I can smell a basher for bashings sake when I see it. How could someone who wanted to be Catholic live in such a way even after an experience like that, that elevates grudge holding and vengence?
It all just doesn’t jive with you. As sitetest said, sorry you had to go through whatever you did. I’d just recommend a path that does include holding pro-active bashing grudgery as part of your lifestyle.
I don't know whether substance abuse at the time of the wedding is a particularly common ground, but lack of effective consent certainly is pretty common. Usually, though, lack of consent is attributed to extreme immaturity, or failure to understand the sacramental nature of marriage. But certainly, folks who are not sober, especially at the time of taking their actual vows, have an impaired ability to provide effective consent.
sitetest
I don't think he's interested in being a Catholic so that's not really an option for him.
Thank you for teaching me something new. I will have to share this with my friends and family. It’s a pretty interesting little fact.
I meant to say “doesn’t include” typo.
Did you infer that, or do you mean that Catholics practice pro-active bashing, grudgery as part of their lifestyle? If you did, then that is strange since you would be doing the bashing.
After your ping I started reading the posts. First of all the “I still get the offering envelopes” after having been excommunicated speaks volumes. Then reading through the posts it’s like witnessing a pagan ritual discussion.
Yes. I know this. I agree with this. This has never been a question I have asked, or had to wrestle with.
The Church is obviously a deeply meaningful part of your life, and I appreciate your witnessing it to me. But please, don't condescend by answering questions I haven't asked, or assume shortcomings I haven't indicated.
To be sure, not all seemingly simple questions have simple answers, but most do. I am reminded of a quote of Albert Einstein's: you don't really understand anything unless you can explain it to your grandmother.
If I want my marriage blessed, shouldn't I humbly ask God for His blessing? It would seem blasphemous ask another sinner(or a Church of sinners) to provide God's blessing.
It is one simple question. If you do not know, then please just say so. I don't know either.
1 Corinthians 4:6 And these things, brethren, I did transfer to myself and to Apollos because of you, that in us ye may learn not to think above that which hath been written, that ye may not be puffed up one for one against the other,
Please show from where it is written that Mary was assumed into heaven or that Peter taught who was to be put in his place at his death.
Galatians 1:8-9 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
Please show where the apostles taught the assumption of Mary or that we were to pray to anyone other then the Father in Heaven.
That is a great question.
Although it is hardly my place to speak for Catholics, I kind of understand them on this. I don't believe they are actually praying to Mary, or any of the Saints. But rather they are asking for a strong advocate for their prayers to God.
I would very much appreciate a confirmation/correction of this.
Sure sounds like a business transaction to me. If you pay up your a member and get to be saved and if you don't pay up well you'll be nice and toasty in the after life.
Try a Bible based Evangelical Church. They won't have as much money, or political clout but there will be less hypocrisy.
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