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Kirsten Powers gets it dangerously wrong on the Bible and homosexuality
One News Now ^ | June 7, 2014 | Dr. Michael Brown

Posted on 06/07/2014 8:48:32 PM PDT by ReformationFan

t is wonderful to read the account of Kirsten Powers' conversion from atheism to Christianity. But that doesn't make her into a Bible scholar or theologian, and Powers has made some grave errors in her recent article on "Christianity's new look on gays."

She begins by asking the question, "Could there be a future where most American Christians support same-sex relationships?"

The obvious answer is: "Only if these Christians renounce the Word of God and the God of the Word."

But that is not how she answers her question. Instead, she writes: "If so, it will be due to the emergence of conservative Christians who say orthodox believers can support life-long, monogamous gay relationships without undermining their commitment to biblical authority."

This is a truly unfortunate statement, as riddled with self-contradictions as it with theological fallacies.

In short, the only way a professing Christian "can support life-long, monogamous gay relationships" is by ceasing to be a conservative Christian, ceasing to be an orthodox believer, and completely undermining their commitment to biblical authority.

(Excerpt) Read more at onenewsnow.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: brown; homosexualagenda; kirstenpowers; michaelbrown
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To: ReformationFan

In general women don’t see that the gay movement is all about men neglecting their duty to care for women and provide satisfaction for them. Now we have a whole generation of young women who will have to.go thru years of unhappiness before they will understand this concept. Tragic.


21 posted on 06/07/2014 9:37:45 PM PDT by what's up (sun)
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To: Texas resident

Courtship is dead.

My guess is that if men engaged in courtship again a whole lot of liberal women would be won back to believing in traditional marriage.


22 posted on 06/07/2014 9:43:07 PM PDT by what's up (sun)
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To: logic101.net
“Ok, maybe this makes me a bad Christian, but I really don’t care what 2 or more consenting adults do behind closed doors.”

If you truly are a believer In Jesus Christ; born of the Spirit of God, then you should very well care what God thinks of homosexuality.

1 Cor 6:20 - For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

In addition, the homo agenda is far more destructive to society than simply two guys up eachother’s @$$ behind closed doors. They target little boys in schools, organizations like the Boy Scouts, and in places of worship.

23 posted on 06/07/2014 9:55:09 PM PDT by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: wku man
“What two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes I really couldn't care less.”

Really? How about two consenting adults conspiring to destroy your livelihood? Or making plans to kill your spouse/children? Do you think that some terrorist attacks were planned behind closed doors?

Are you homosexual? Or are you just naive?

24 posted on 06/07/2014 10:04:54 PM PDT by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: Paulie
Neither, and if you called me homosexual to my face, you'd be choking on my fist.

"How about two consenting adults conspiring to destroy your livelihood? Or making plans to kill your spouse/children? Do you think that some terrorist attacks were planned behind closed doors?"

I literally have no idea what you're talking about. You're going to have to explain what all this means, and how the hell you arrived at whatever you call those...delusional rants, maybe?

Sheesh...and people call me paranoid

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

25 posted on 06/07/2014 10:39:07 PM PDT by wku man (Veterans, it's up to us to save the Republic...let's roll.)
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To: Texas resident

Men eagerly went along with the feminists on promiscuity and abortion because it meant they could sleep around without consequences. There is plenty of blame to go around for both sexes.


26 posted on 06/07/2014 11:18:27 PM PDT by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: tflabo
God’s word will not be altered or changed to make the practice of it as acceptable.

How about forgivable? The difference between the condemned in the Old Covenant, and the redeemed in the New Covenant, is the Blood of Jesus which is the only thing that makes us pure and worthy - despite our continuing sinful natures. Go through a whole day without a sinful thought/act and you can sit in judgement. Until then all you can do is resist your own temptations and try to follow the two great commandments.

27 posted on 06/08/2014 5:44:06 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: ReformationFan

If she believed the bible was the word of God she would not continue to belong to political party that hates God and believes in baby murdering and queer “marriage”. She’s a hypocrite and nothing else.


28 posted on 06/08/2014 5:59:51 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself")
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To: what's up
Sexual purity needs to once again be preached.
The 60’s creeps have turned that upside down but it’s the only way to remain civilized. God wants men to love and protect women. What’s going on now will lead to more and more deep unhappiness for women.

Amen.

29 posted on 06/08/2014 6:20:08 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: CyberAnt
Most of the time I cannot even listen to her. I don’t know why FOX has such a love affair with this woman. She’s not that intelligent .. or intuitive about the goings on in the world.
I was amazed that she was on 4-5 shows in one day as a contributor .. but none of the things she was talking about made any sense .. all she succeeded in doing was poisoning the conversation.
In fact, most of the radical left who appear on FOX are there for one purpose .. to poison the conversation. It’s not for a second opinion; it’s to sow confusion. I wish FOX would figure that out.

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Please, Powers is young, blonde and attractive. THAT is why she is where she is.
*NONE of the networks EVER put on middle aged women.
*Men NEVER want to see middle aged women.
*Young women NEVER want to see middle aged women.
*O'Reilly likes the young blondes. He IS human after all. :o)

Lol. JUST WAIT until those attractive little chickie-poos turn 40--ALL OF A SUDDEN men won't be looking at them any more. SOME will turn bitter, just like some middle aged women. SOME will start the attack on the young, attractive women FORGETTING totally how they once thought that ANY middle aged woman who complained about young women were just BITTER OLD WOMEN.

Lol. It's fun to watch them change. "WHAAAA???? Why aren't men at my feet anymore?!?! Not fair!!! Wah"

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MOST middle aged women, formerly pretty, plain or in between, do figure it out and aren't bitter. We USUALLY got help from good parents.

30 posted on 06/08/2014 6:32:19 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: NKP_Vet
If she believed the bible was the word of God she would not continue to belong to political party that hates God and believes in baby murdering and queer “marriage”. She’s a hypocrite and nothing else.

True enough.
She IS putting on T.V. "airs" to be interesting. She'll get over her hypocrisy when HER looks and body fade into middle age...if she's smart.
However, if she has no backbone, she will continue her hypocrisy.

31 posted on 06/08/2014 6:35:11 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: ReformationFan

Personally I believe the gospel has been perverted so many years by both conservatives and liberals that it has became nothing more than a game.

We have preachers on every corner who are no longer preaching the gospel but trying to shove their view down some one elses throat.

Any one who reads into the scripture something that is not there are liars.

According to many preachers you simply can not be a human being with out fear of being sent to hell, and they will twist the scripture around to prove it.

Smoking, drinking wine, plus a hundred other things that they put in the same category with homosexuality.

On one side of the argument is the (if it feels good do it) as long as you believe in Christ you will be saved.

On the other side you have to be much cleaner than Jesus was to even stand a chance of reaching the kingdom of God, Jesus would not be seen as a Christian.

Homosexuality is an abomination, we can not judge them to hell, only God can do that, i also can not pretend to love them because i don`t, and actually i would be seen as pretty liberal in biblical matters.

Open homosexualism is open anti God, that is the object, A Christian could not admit to being gay even if they were which i doubt. but a God hater could say anything in order to slap God in the face as if that were possible.

The point i am trying to make ( and doing a pretty sorry job of) is that when one side goes a step up, the other side will go a step down.

People will take one side or the other instead of reading the scripture for them selves to see what it really says and what it don`t say.

So it is not a matter of conservative or liberal as they both lie about scripture, they just go in the opposite directions..

Lies are of the devil and the devil is trying to destroy Gods kingdom, the only way we can be in Gods kingdom is to believe what the Bible says, not what some liar said that it says.


32 posted on 06/08/2014 8:02:56 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ReformationFan

She’s a fake Christian, just like Jane Fonda, planted to try to influence real Christians. You watch, she will come out in support of Hillary for President.


33 posted on 06/08/2014 8:36:54 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: Paulie
They target little boys in schools, organizations like the Boy Scouts, and in places of worship.

As I have stated many times, not all homosexuals are pedophiles, but a huge percentage of pedophiles are homosexual.

34 posted on 06/08/2014 8:47:34 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: wku man

.and people call me paranoid

It’s not paranoia when they really are all out to get you.


35 posted on 06/08/2014 8:49:44 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: logic101.net

I have no idea what you are talking about reference California Chrome and “the kiss”. Could you explain please? No sarcasm intended.


36 posted on 06/08/2014 8:56:58 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: ReformationFan

She’s an idiot, regardless what she says.. sorry. a perfect Faux Nooz foil.


37 posted on 06/08/2014 9:59:38 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: wku man; Paulie
I literally have no idea what you're talking about.

I surmise that what the poster was saying was that if you "really couldn't care less” “what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes" then it means you could care less about some terrorist attacks being planned behind closed doors. But to be analogous then it must be shown that what is being done behind closed doors in the case of sodomites also negatively affects the public.

The sodomy lobby argues that it does not, yet that it does is indeed is the case. Consider that over half a million Americans have died because of HIV/AIDS, and for which sodomy is the main cause. And among other things, even 30 years after the HIV epidemic began, and trying to tame sodomites, yet in 2011, in the United States, MSM accounted for 79% of 38,825 estimated HIV diagnoses among all males aged 13 years and older, and 78% of infections among all newly infected men. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html

Add to that the [2006] lifetime (now 24.2 years avg.) HIV care cost per person in optimal HIV care being $618,900 per person. The discounted (accounting for the time-specific value of costs and benefits) lifetime cost of comprehensive treatment per HIV-infected person was $385,000. The total cost, including lost productivity, of the estimated 40,000 new HIV infections expected to occur in the United States every year, was estimated to be approximately $53 billion. - http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/45/Supplement_4/S248.full

And 41% of people who are "transgender or gender-nonconforming" have attempted suicide sometime in their lives, almost 9 times the national average. - http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-suicide-attempts-alarming-transgender-20140127,0,3324954.story#ixzz2vRHkyu7v

If taking part in another consensual act, say the Lord's supper, resulted in all this, with overall a greatly increased incidence of infectious diseases and premature death, and being primarily responsible for the death of over half a million Americans - despite 30 years of trying to promote a "safe" way to engage in it - at the least i do not think it would be advocated and encouraged, and those who did not agree with it shouted down as "racist" and Christianophobic, and depriving Christians of their rights by outlawing it, which they should if this relation was so manifestly evident.

Yet homosexuality is wrong for deeper reasons than the typical deleterious physical ones, but extends into the uniquely compatible and complimentary, and only joined them in marriage, which Jesus Himself specified. (Gn. 2:18-24; Mt. 19:4-6) Homosexual unions are thus only condemned by God in the Scriptures, by design and decree, in principle and in precept.

And attempts to force homosexual relations into passages it does not belong extends even to pro homosexual apologetics on the Bible, the specious nature of which this reveals, and i find the manipulation of the Bible by them to be more serious than even homosexuality.

However, some of the first Christians were likely former homosexuals, (1Cor. 6:9-11) and there is room at the cross for all who want the Lord Jesus over sin, and believe upon Him to save them who died for them, and rose again. And who thus are baptized and follow Him, to the glory of God.

38 posted on 06/08/2014 10:07:12 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: ReformationFan

Her column certainly didn’t surprise me. She was and is a progressive with all of the confused thoughts that accompany that philosophy. She’s also a former atheist, of course; but very notably, she “converted” to Protestantism. For anyone (other than committed Protestants) to be surprised that she would continue along her same, confused path that she followed as an atheist, lives in a liberal dreamworld.

But lest my Protestant friends feel slighted by this observation, I must assure them that I would have expected almost the same column from her if she opted instead to become a Neo-Catholic. There is virtually no air between the Vatican II Neo-Catholics (being blindly led by the progressive media without so much as a word of objection from our Modernist bishops) and the Protestants. If one fails to recognize that the Modernist Catholic bishops of the Neo-Catholic Church will not ultimately embrace some version of homosexual unions, much like the protestants are now doing, they are seriously not following what is going on in the Church today.

However, for those new on the Catholic scene, be assured that the one true Catholic Church that holds fast to the traditional teachings of that Church without deviation, will not change, and will never embrace any form of sinful behavior such as homosexuality. Never! And as for Kirsten Powers, who knows; since this young woman appears to be slowly waking up to the truth, maybe one day she’ll pick up a copy of the Remnant Newspaper, the Catholic Family News or almost any book of the late, great Michael Davies, and actually wake up completely. I pray she does.


39 posted on 06/08/2014 10:13:34 AM PDT by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: cloudmountain

Geeeeee .. I’m sorry .. I was thinking of the intellectual person .. not the blond and young.

How could I have missed that ..??


40 posted on 06/08/2014 10:32:40 AM PDT by CyberAnt (True the Vote: MY AMERICA, "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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