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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Especially if it is a dogma or a doctrine that contradicts what is written in the Bible.

Name one Church dogma that is contradicted by the Bible.

You sound like a Protestant: if it isn't in the Bible; it can't be true, even if it's not contradicted by the Bible.

215 posted on 06/10/2014 5:34:26 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Name one Church dogma that is contradicted by the Bible.

Wrong question:

Name one Church dogma that is NOT FOUND in the Bible; that is needed for Salvation.

224 posted on 06/11/2014 3:53:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
You sound like a Protestant: if it isn't in the Bible; it can't be true, even if it's not contradicted by the Bible.

Conversely, Catholics say: If it isn't in the Bible; it could POSSIBLY be true; so who gives YOU the 'authority' to say it is not to be taught?

225 posted on 06/11/2014 3:55:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide

The idea that Mary was ALWAYS a virgin. Last I checked she was married to Joseph and that Jesus had brothers and sisters specifically mentioned in the Bible. And the yarn that Mary herself was conceived of an Immaculate conception. Where is that mentioned in the Bible? Who makes this stuff up? And of course we know there is nothing in the Bible which mandates celibacy as a prerequisite for service in the priesthood.


233 posted on 06/11/2014 7:16:52 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: ebb tide; Trapped Behind Enemy Lines; Elsie; metmom; boatbums; bonfire; WVKayaker; ...

Name one Church dogma that is contradicted by the Bible. You sound like a Protestant: if it isn't in the Bible; it can't be true, even if it's not contradicted by the Bible.

The fact is that the church actually began in dissent from those who sat in the seat of Moses over Israel, following an itinerant Preacher who Messiah reproved them by Scripture as being supreme, (Mk. 7:2-16) and the oral preaching of the word of God was not held as being such on the premise of assured magisterial veracity as per Rome, but the Lord established His Truth claims upon scriptural substantiation in word (formally or materially) and in power, as did the early church as it began upon this basis. (Mt. 22:23-45; Lk. 24:27,44; Jn. 5:36,39; Acts 2:14-35; 4:33; 5:12; 15:6-21;17:2,11; 18:28; 28:23; Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12, etc.)

In contrast, the taught by Rome as dogma that Scripture does not teach are so numerous i do not know where to begin, and to which are added those who contradict it.

Just a few from about half the list of Dogmas of the Catholic Church: http://jloughnan.tripod.com/dogma.htm

No proof or doctrinal warrant, and contrary to what is stated as regards accountable souls and how exceptions to the norm are characteristically noted even among much lesser characters, and the sinlessness of Christ is noted at least thrice.

No proof or doctrinal warrant or necessity, and is contrary to how exceptions to the norm are characteristically noted. The Holy Spirit characteristically records extraordinary exceptions to the norm among its characters, from the age of Methuselah to the strength of Samson to the number of toes of Goliath, to the diet of John the Baptist, to the supernatural transport of Phillip, to the signs of an apostle, to the singleness of Paul and Barnabas, and uncharacteristic duplicity of Peter, to the prolonged celibacy of Anna, to the sinlessness of Christ, etc., He says nothing about Mary being a perpetual virgin. And instead what He does teach weighs toward the norm.

No proof or doctrinal warrant or necessity.

Contrary to what is written. The only "special Divine Revelation" is the Scriptures: "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." (1 John 5:13)

One is placed in the state of grace at conversion, (Rm. 5:1,2; Acts 13:43) being washed, sanctified and justified (1Cor. 6:11) accepted in the Beloved and made to sit together with Christ in heavenly places, (Eph. 1:6; 2:6) by faith in the Lord Jesus to save one as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, by His sinless shed blood and righteousness,

Which is a faith which effects obedience, in contrast to being "fallen from grace." (Gal. 5:4) and thus in the evidential light of "things which accompany salvation," (Heb. 6:9) then one can obey, "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" (2 Corinthians 13:5)

And by such, along with the internal witness of the Spirit, one can know they are in the faith, and have eternal life, and will be with the Lord for eternity, and all the verses which clearly speak of a N.T. believer's postmortem condition teach that it is with the Lord, (Luke 23:43; Acts 7:59; 1Cor. 15:52; 2 Cor 5:8; Phil. 1:23; 1Jn. 3:2) thus all the Thessalonians would be if the Lord had returned in their lifetime, as would Corinthian believers. (1 Th 4:17; 1Cor. 15:

Absurd and blasphemous. "Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds." (2 Corinthians 12:12)

"But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God,..By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left.." (2 Corinthians 6:7)

If the NT church had the manner of manifestly powerless apostles as Rome, and missing the sword of men, and including her immoral elected popes and bishop Dolans joking with and sanctioning communion with proabortion prosodomite pols, then it would not have made it out of the 1st century except as a tiny superstitious cult.

Without proof and contrary to what is written. There simply is no command to make successors for Peter, only one was chosen to maintain the original number of the 12 foundational apostles, (Acts 1:15-26; Rv. 21:14) and none for the martyred apostle James. (Acts 12:2) Nor did the apostle Paul - who was not ordained by man to be an apostle, nor Peter, in their ways to expected martyrdom, make any mention of another apostle taking their place. Instead, pastors, such as Timothy, were commissioned to carry on the work.

Nor is Peter, though being the street-level leader among the 11 brethren and the first to use the gospel key to the kingdom, (Acts 2; Col 1:13) and exercising a general pastoral role, confirmed to be the rock upon which Christ built His church, but the Christ of Peter's confession is. For in contrast to Peter, that the LORD Jesus is the Rock (“petra”) or "stone" (“lithos,” and which denotes a large rock in Mk. 16:4) upon which the church is built is one of the most abundantly confirmed doctrines in the Bible (petra: Rm. 9:33; 1Cor. 10:4; 1Pet. 2:8; cf. Lk. 6:48; 1Cor. 3:11; lithos: Mat. 21:42; Mk.12:10-11; Lk. 20:17-18; Act. 4:11; Rm. 9:33; Eph. 2:20; cf. Dt. 32:4, Is. 28:16) including by Peter himself. (1Pt. 2:4-8)

Nor has Rome ever elected a pope after the non-political OT method of casting lots, ( (Acts 1:15ff; Josh. 18:6; Prov. 16:33) not voting, by which known immoral men and or a long string of Italians were politically chosen as Peter popes. </p>

Absurd. Rome has an<a href="http://peacebyjesuscom.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-peter-of-scripture-versus-that-of.html "> essentially different "Peter." </a> which even Catholic scholarship provides evidence of. The church neither looked to an exalted Peter of Rome sitting as God as the first of a line of ecclesiastical papal progeny possessing assured formulaic infallibility. The Peter of Scripture was married, poor, would not let even an unconverted soul bow down to him,

Unholy presumption. Nowhere in Scripture is any person (except the Lord) or body promised protection from error whatever and whenever they universally teach something on faith and morals, independently and even if the arguments for it are not without error. This is not the basis for what Caiaphas (spontaneous prophecy) or Peter (privately confessing Christ) did, or Acts 15 (Scripturally based ruling). The veracity of these was established upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, not the premise of assured formulaic veracity.

Rather an assuredly infallible magisterium, God often provided and preserved Truth by raising up men from without the magisterium to correct it. Thus the church began, and thus it continues.

Moreover, what one does constitutes what one really teaches in God's sight, (Ja. 2:18) not profession by itself.

Without proof and contrary to what is written. In all of Scripture with its approx. 200 prayers to Heaven, the Holy Spirit inspires absolutely zero to anyone else in Heaven by God, whom He Himself makes intercession for. Nor is anyone but God shown as being able to hear virtually infinite amounts of prayer addressed to them and respond (which the memorial offering of prayer as incense is not doing), making it blasphemous to attribute this uniquely Divine ability to created beings.

Nor is there any other Heavenly intercessor but the Lord Jesus, (1Tim. 2:5) nor is any Heavenly intercessor provided in Scripture btwn Christ and man, nor is there any insufficiency in Him, from immediacy of access to ability, that would necessitate or advantage another intercessor in the heavenly realm btwn man and Christ. This unique universal access and ability of the Lord Jesus Christ to hear multitudinous prayer, even mental, is a mark of His deity, which no other created being in shown as having.

In contrast, corporate prayer btwn man and God is exhorted and exampled, but requiring material communication, and is advantageous due to the infirmity and iniquity of man (the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much) and thus the interdependence of the body on earth, in order to be effectually heard by the Lord in the heavenly realm. But the object is always Deity, not created beings, and outside looking to the example of departed saints (Heb. 13:7) and benefiting from their work they did here, (Jn. 4:38) the active interdependence of the body is always shown to be btwn that of living saints on earth, (1Cor. 12) not btwn those on earth and heaven.

Without proof and contrary to what is written. See above. In addition, besides all the verses which clearly speak of a N.T. believer's postmortem condition (Luke 23:43; Acts 7:59; 1Cor. 15:52; 2 Cor 5:8; Phil. 1:23; 1 Th 4:17; 1Jn. 3:2) showing it is with the Lord, it is not simply suffering the produces righteous character, but being tempted, and which Scripture only shows this life is for with its manifold temptations, contrasting “now” being the time of trials, “now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations..might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: (1 Peter 1:6,7) and our “the sufferings of this present time” (Rm. 8:18) versus later, and thus the Lord Himself as made perfect through sufferings, in being “tempted in all points like as we are, yet without sin.” (Heb. 2:10; 4:15)

Also, the only postmortem burning associated with believers is that of corruptible building material being consumed, but which 1 Cor. 3:8-15 teaches does not occur until the Lord's return, (1Cor. 4:5; 2Tim. 4:1,8; Rev.11:18; Mt. 25:21-23; 1Pt. 1:7; 5:4) versus purgatory, which has souls suffering upon death. And the suffering is that of a loss of rewards based upon the manner of workmanship once built the church with, not to attain holiness of heart, and which loss the believer is safe despite of, not because of.

That is all for now. It is because the church began under Scriptural substantiation as the basis for veracity that those who most strongly hold to the supremacy of Scripture as the wholly inspired assured word of God (versus the church having assured veracity and supreme, as in Rome and cults), that they most strongly contend for core Truths we hold with Rome, and against cults which deny them, as well as against extra Scriptural traditions of men being taught as doctrine, and doctrines that are contrary to Scripture. And such are overall more unified in key conservative beliefs than the fruit of Rome.

241 posted on 06/11/2014 11:09:38 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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