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How Hitler and Judas could end up in heaven
The Week ^ | 06/04/2014 | Damon Linker

Posted on 06/04/2014 6:52:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

In certain schools of Christian thought, hell is not everlasting, but a more painful form of purgatory.

M any Christians presume that hell is a place where brutally painful punishments are inflicted on evildoers for an indefinite, and perhaps infinite, amount of time in the afterlife. Think of a medieval torture chamber with no exit — or fire extinguishers.

But this, as I argued in a recent column, makes no theological sense. If morality is good, then doing the right thing must be its own reward and doing the wrong thing must be its own punishment. To think that a sinner deserves extra, externally imposed suffering presumes that morality isn't good and that those who commit evil deeds benefit from their actions — which is another way of saying that those who do the right thing are fools.

The more theologically sound position is to hold that hell is a state of being, whether in this life or the next, in which we confront our own self-imposed alienation from what is truly good — from God, in other words. This educative punishment can be extremely painful, but the pain flows intrinsically from knowledge of our own immoral acts. It isn't inflicted on us by some external tormenter.

That, at any rate, was my argument.

Let's just say that my readers weren't universally appreciative of it. A fair number of them apparently want very much to believe that a fairly large number of people are going to be made to suffer egregiously in hell for their bad behavior in life.

I suspect that these same readers, and perhaps many more, will be equally adamant that I'm wrong to follow the implications of my argument a few steps further — to assert that Christians have reason to believe that the punishments of hell, whatever they may be, are temporary for all.

That's right: I think it's likely that if there is an afterlife, everyone — even Judas, even Hitler — eventually ends up in heaven.

Now, I'm perfectly willing to concede that several Gospel passages seem to describe an eternity of damnation for at least some people in the afterlife (Matthew 7:13-14, 25:31-46; Mark 9:45-48; Luke 16:23; John 3:36). Though I'd also like to point out that only in one verse (Matthew 25:46) does Jesus speak of something that could plausibly be translated as "eternal punishment," and in words (aeonios kolasis) that could perhaps more accurately be rendered as "eternal correction."

Then there are those contrary passages that seem to imply that God wants everyone — and perhaps even all of creation — to enjoy salvation (Romans 5:18, 11:33-36; 1 Corinthians 15:22, 28; Philippians 2:10-11; Colossians 1:19-20; 2 Peter 3:9; Revelation 21:4).

This tension — not to say contradiction — has led some thinkers to dismiss or argue away the implications of the latter passages. Of all the church fathers, Tertullian may have gone furthest in this direction, writing at length and in gory detail about the endless sufferings inflicted on sinners in hell, and even suggesting that observing these torments is an important source of the bliss that accompanies salvation in heaven.

The problem with this position is that it seems to be a form of what Friedrich Nietzsche called "Christian malice": A psychological malady in which the stringent self-denial that Christianity demands of its adherents leads them to feel intense resentment for those who are insufficiently ascetic. Nietzsche delighted in showing how this dynamic can turn Christians from preachers of love into hateful fanatics out to inflict suffering on anyone who dares to enjoy life.

Not all Christians have confirmed Nietzsche's critique as perfectly as Tertullian. Others have been driven by theological reflection to move in the opposite direction — to speculate that all people might eventually enjoy salvation in heaven, no matter how awful their worldly sins may have been.

Origen in the 3rd century and Hans Urs von Balthasar in the 20th both affirmed versions of universal salvation. Yet I find the most compelling variation in the writings of the 4th-century theologian Gregory of Nyssa — a major figure in the history of Christianity, though one more widely revered today by the Eastern Orthodox than by the Western churches.

Gregory maintained that hell resembles something like what Catholics have traditionally called purgatory: A place of sometimes excruciatingly painful purgation of sins in preparation for heaven. The pain is not externally inflicted as punishment, but follows directly from the process of purification as the soul progresses toward a perhaps never fully realized union with divine perfection. Gregory describes this process as a "constant progression" or "stretching forth" (epektasis) of oneself toward an ever greater embrace of and merger with God in the fullness of eternity — a transmutation of what is sinful, fallen, and finite into the transcendent beauty of the infinite.

Hell, in this view, would be the state of agonizing struggle to break free from sin, to renounce our moral mistakes, to habituate ourselves to the good, to become ever more like God. Eastern Orthodox theologians (and, interestingly, Mormons, who hold similar views) call it a process of divination or sanctification (theosis) that follows directly from the doctrine of God's incarnation in Jesus Christ. It is a formula found in the writings of Clement of Alexandria, Athanasius, and other ancient theologians: God became a human being so that human beings might become like God.

All human beings.

One imagines that this would be a long, painful process — rendered longer and more painful for those who have fallen furthest from God during their lives. They are the ones for whom the afterlife is truly hellish — like a climb up a peak far, far higher than Mount Everest with little prior preparation or training, no expensive gear, and no Sherpas to help carry the load. But there would eventually be progress toward God, even for the climber who starts out in the worst possible shape, and from the lowest possible point in the valley below.

And at least there would be no dungeon pointlessly presided over by satanic, whip-wielding sadists.


TOPICS: Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: eschatology; heaven; hell; hitler; immortality; judas; theodicy
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To: paladinan

It doesn’t address the eternal suffering of the fallen angels


You are right. They are outside the scope of what I’m talking about and their fate muddies the waters here. I’m talking about the fate of the lost who occuy the human tent.

Gehenna was a garbage dump, not a furnace. It had both worms and fire to consume. And in both cases it points out that the force that consumes does not die. Again, an analogy (for obviously Gehenna is not the literal subject of Jesus’ words) for the fate being final. They are gone. Permanently.


261 posted on 06/06/2014 10:33:05 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

Maybe you could clarify, then: what, exactly, is your objection to eternal hell for the damned? I’d been under the impression that you found it to be too cruel of an idea to attribute to God. Was I wrong?


262 posted on 06/06/2014 10:38:56 AM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: paladinan

I’d been under the impression that you found it to be too cruel of an idea to attribute to God. Was I wrong?


Not wrong, but just only hitting a small part of it.

It does not fit with the personality of the God of the bible, His relationship with creation and His dealings with man. In every othe way he seems, from a human understanding uf justice, to be truly just. He is the judge that respects the rule of law. Nobody guilty of a crime wants that judge. They want the one that likes to let everybody off if they promise to be good next time.

But look at how he treats Israel. Sure, bad acts have consequences, but he still loves them. There is plenty of scripture to back this up and you probably agree with me anyway.

So lets move on to those he has lost all patience with. What happened to Sodom? What happened to the nations Israel was told to destroy? What happened even to Judas? All of them were wiped out. Not one word about making it painful for them. In fact, to return to Israel for a second, the only times I can find in the bible where God DOES make it painful is when it is those He loves, to punish to teach a lesson. and they may then come out of it stronger and with more faith. This touches on the life of the believer, actually.

So, when dealing with those that are “not His”, God is pretty consistent. He puts up with them until it’s time to remove them. They are simply “gone”.

But the other problem is that this “God tortures the lost for all eternity” message is one those that hate Christianity absolutely love. In fact, I’ve actually had arguments with them similar to the argument I’m having here. It’s almost funny.

Many of them are “ex-christian” and think they know the bible. When I point out that they may be wrong about God being so cruel (the God they claim doesn’t exist) they start pulling out the same scriptures being used here to defend the eternal suffering meme. The core of their anti-God argument and most powerful weapon is the teaching that God condemns those who don’t believe to an eternity of firy suffering. The cling to that like a drowning man clings to his life preserver.

It is very important to them that that is the teaching of Christianity. I think it is because any reasonable man who has not been taught the bible, that hears this message, and puts two and two together about the narrow road, etc., sees the God of the bible as a sadistic fire god and considers the whole thing a silly made up tribal religion - and doesn’t bother to research it further.

I also believe the lost will literally choose to not follow Christ when given the chance. And if a person truly believes that eternal suffering is not the fate of the lost, if they are against Jesus they will chose against him, while those that are “for” him will choose him regardless of what happens to the lost.


263 posted on 06/06/2014 10:52:46 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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