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To: metmom

I guess I wasn’t clear that I was being sarcastic regarding the preaching before and after Vatican II. Even the Vatican II documents do not speak of it the same way as previous popes.


85 posted on 05/31/2014 8:26:59 AM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

That’s because Vat II tried to PROTESTANTIZE the faith. Go with the Church Fathers and orthodox popes that were not swayed by modernism.


87 posted on 05/31/2014 8:31:59 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: piusv; metmom

I haven’t the time to check the sources now, but basically Vatican II said that no one is saved except through the Church. But that the Church, like Jesus, can extend its powers beyond itself.

It was accepted from early times that virtuous pagans who were ignorant of Christian teachings could be saved—by the grace of Christ acting outside the usual channels.

Similarly, sincere Christians can be saved through the Church even though they don’t officially belong to the Church, provided that their reasons for not belonging are ignorant rather than sinful.

I don’t see any problem with that.


93 posted on 05/31/2014 9:09:20 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: piusv
Even the Vatican II documents do not speak of it the same way as previous popes.

Don't worry; for the Magisterium ALWAYS votes in the direction GOD leads them.

(Most of them anyway...)

173 posted on 06/01/2014 4:49:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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