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How a Protestant spin machine hid the truth about the English Reformation
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk ^ | May 23, 2014 | Dominic Selwood

Posted on 05/25/2014 4:39:43 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

Today, May 23, is the anniversary of King Henry VIII’s divorce from Catherine of Aragon —­ the event which started the English Reformation.

In 2003, Charles Clarke, Tony Blair’s Secretary of State for Education and Skills, expressed strong views on the teaching of British history.

I don’t mind there being some medievalists around for ornamental purposes, but there is no reason for the state to pay for them.

In response, Michael Biddiss, professor of medieval history at Reading University, suggested that Mr Clarke’s view may have been informed by Khrushchev’s notion that historians are dangerous people, capable of upsetting everything.­­­­­

In many ways, Khrushchev was correct. Historians can be a distinct threat —­ both those who create “official” history, and those who work quietly to unpick it, filling in the irksome and unhelpful details.

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So the Catholic church didn’t dominate over Christians for centuries?


101 posted on 05/25/2014 6:59:38 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: doc1019

From the Book of Mark:

7:24. And rising from thence he went into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon: and entering into a house, he would that no man should know it. And he could not be hid.

7:25. For a woman as soon as she heard of him, whose daughter had an unclean spirit, came in and fell down at his feet.

7:26. For the woman was a Gentile, a Syrophenician born. And she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.

7:27. Who said to her: suffer first the children to be filled: for it is not good to take the bread of the children and cast it to the dogs.

7:28. But she answered and said to him: Yea, Lord; for the whelps also eat under the table of the crumbs of the children.

7:29. And he said to her: For this saying, go thy way. The devil is gone out of thy daughter.

7:30. And when she was come into her house, she found the girl lying upon the bed and that the devil was gone out.

I puzzled over the meaning of this scripture. At first I wondered if it meant that Jesus could be nagged into giving you what you want, just to get rid of you.

That didn’t seem very Christ-like.

God be thanked, one afternoon during a Holy Hour the Holy Spirit gave me a bit of understanding of this passage. While I’m sure there are many, one lesson to take from this is that perseverance is a virtue. Jesus gave her what she wanted not because she nagged Him, but because she was resolute.

In addition to praying directly to God, one more thing you can do is ask a saint to pray for you, too. You know, perseverance.


102 posted on 05/25/2014 7:02:08 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Religion Moderator

Why don’t you just flush this whole thread. There is nothing here worth saving.


103 posted on 05/25/2014 7:04:15 PM PDT by DManA
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To: 2harddrive
No one who was married on earth is also married in Heaven. But, as a male, alas, I WILL miss sex!!

No you won't.

When Christ said the dead no nothing. He meant in the sense that the dead know nothing of this world, nor anything you did.

When you make it to heaven, the pleasure you feel will be a gazillion times more greater than the best orgasm you ever had in the pathetic body you are now stuck in.

Trust me, you will not miss sex, because as Isaiah wrote, and Paul reaffirmed to the Corinthians;
For since the beginning of the world Men have not heard nor perceived by the ear, Nor has the eye seen any God besides You, Who acts for the one who waits for Him. Isaiah 64:4
But as it is written:
"Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
1Corinthians 2:9

104 posted on 05/25/2014 7:06:03 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: DManA
Why don’t you just flush this whole thread. There is nothing here worth saving.

Agreed.

105 posted on 05/25/2014 7:13:01 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: al_c

I is really getting hard to support this place anymore.


106 posted on 05/25/2014 7:16:31 PM PDT by DManA
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To: doc1019

There are none so blind... just say’n


107 posted on 05/25/2014 7:30:57 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatrian)
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To: verga

Would love for you to elaborate ... ?


108 posted on 05/25/2014 7:32:20 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: ansel12
What I am saying is that you are expecting post Enlightenment behaviors of people that would consider those behaviors as heretical.

It was considered unchristian to permit non-Catholics to continue to practice their non-Catholic religions. It was believed that you condemned them to Hell in doing so. It was also believed that you endangered that community be permitting non-Catholic influences to spread.

When the Puritans came to the New World to escape religious persecution they did not leave religious persecution behind, they became the persecutors.

Religious persecution was the way of the world before and after the Enlightenment. Religious persecution is nearly as common today as it was 400 years ago. It is becoming more common in the United States today. You see a thread on FR nearly every day of how some kid in some school is told that he can not pray or read the Bible in school.

So why should you wonder that Catholics persecuted non-Catholics in the past?

109 posted on 05/25/2014 7:40:07 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: impimp

So saints who have passed on are omnipresent and can hear everything?

No... Only God is omnipresent. Your belief smacks of pantheism.


110 posted on 05/25/2014 7:48:56 PM PDT by what's up (sun)
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To: Pontiac

There were horrors for centuries until Christians broke free from the Catholic domination, once they did, within a relatively short time after only a few generations of separation from Catholic domination the Christian world settled down to a better place.

As far as the Puritans, while not so long separated from Catholicism, I would not be comparing them to what happened for centuries under Rome, if I meet one I will ask him about his denomination.


111 posted on 05/25/2014 7:58:29 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: narses
This is one aspect of the Reformation I’d think our friends would would have long ago stopped trying to defend, especially now. Entirely aside from the fact that the Church’s decision, regardless of political motivation, was right on the merits (if you get a dispensation from the Church to marry your brother’s widow, you really don’t get to argue that relationship as grounds for an annulment and should expect howls of derisive laughter if you even try)...trying to game the marriage laws for one’s own selfish purposes: What could possibly go wrong?
112 posted on 05/25/2014 8:00:36 PM PDT by RichInOC (...your newest purveyor of wit, laughter and the Popish creed.)
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To: tumblindice

well said...


113 posted on 05/25/2014 8:02:10 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: ansel12

The Puritans or pilgrims or whatever were less harsh than Lindon at the time. Ordinary women in London had no voice in courts and couldn’t own property, there were female tavern owners in Plymouth. Women had more freedom and rights than they ever had in London.


114 posted on 05/25/2014 8:02:47 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: NKP_Vet

when I studied mediaeval history a long long time ago ( almost 50 yrs), the book and the teacher covered ALL of this supposedly new material


115 posted on 05/25/2014 8:03:09 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: ansel12
There were horrors for centuries until Christians broke free from the Catholic domination, once they did, within a relatively short time after only a few generations of separation from Catholic domination the Christian world settled down to a better place.

Well tell that to my Catholic ancestors who fled Calvinist persecution in Germany.

116 posted on 05/25/2014 8:10:26 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

Yeah, I get it, there was naturally a shake out period as after a 1000 years of forced Catholicism, people broke free, and had bad feelings and had to fight to remain free, but as they got farther away from their Catholic roots and Rome accepted that they were strong enough to remain free, things settled down within a few generations.

Where did your Catholic ancestors flee to and when?


117 posted on 05/25/2014 8:21:39 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: RichInOC
trying to game the marriage laws for one’s own selfish purposes: What could possibly go wrong?

I'd don't know. Ask the Kennedys.

118 posted on 05/25/2014 8:23:28 PM PDT by DManA
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To: ansel12

They fled to the United States about 1900. Yep the reformation was just getting started.


119 posted on 05/25/2014 8:29:21 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: what's up

Rev 8:4
Rev 5:8

These verses dipict the “pantheism” you speak of.


120 posted on 05/25/2014 8:36:06 PM PDT by impimp
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