How a Protestant spin machine hid the truth about the English Reformation

Telegraph UK blog ^ | Sunday 25 May 2014 | Dominic Selwood

[Not gonna take it anymore]

. . . . For centuries, the English have been taught that the late medieval Church was superstitious, corrupt, exploitative, and alien. Above all, we were told that King Henry VIII and the people of England despised its popish flummery and primitive rites. England was fed up to the back teeth with the ignorant mumbo-jumbo magicians of the foreign Church, and up and down the country Tudor people preferred plain-speaking, rational men like Wycliffe, Luther, and Calvin. Henry VIII achieved what all sane English and Welsh people had long desired ­– an excuse to break away from an anachronistic subjugation to the ridiculous medieval strictures of the Church.

, . . But the last 30 years have seen a revolution in Reformation research. Leading scholars have started looking behind the pronouncements of the religious revolution’s leaders – Henry VIII, Thomas Cromwell, Thomas Cranmer, Hugh Latimer, Nicholas Ridley – and beyond the parliamentary pronouncements and the great sermons. Instead, they have begun focusing on the records left by ordinary English people. This “bottom up” approach to history has undoubtedly been the most exciting development in historical research in the last 50 years. It has taken us away from what the rulers want us to know, and steered us closer towards what actually happened.

[Elsie]

Yep, and the participation of common lay people in the religious life of the parish all but disappeared with the coming of Protestantism having been reduced to only formal worship services that everyone had to attend by law.

We have disappearing parishes right here in Indy!!

http://www.chron.com/news/article/3-Catholic-parishes-in-Indianapolis-set-to-close-5494743.php

[Elsie]

Its end is no better either: atheism, communism, hedonism, skepticism, utilitarianism, totalitarianism.

Yup, these are surely worst than...

Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.^[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.^[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.^[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony^[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

[Elsie]

I can’t imagine living at such a time, every day must have seemed fraught with peril.

WHAT???

Have you no MSM streaming

The SKY is falling!!!!

24/7 into your home???

[Elsie]

Scandal in the Church?

Why...

...I am SHOCKED!

[Elsie]

Of course; thing is, it started out as a normal interest to beget a male hair, but spiraled into a full blown Reformation at the behest of Anne B. and Thomas Cromwell, who was himself a covert Lutheran. If Henry had wanted to marry a French princess or a Spanish princess then there might not have been problems.

I have the same problem; as most of my male hairs died off LONG ago!

(I here their is grate money to be maid in trying to produce them these daze.)

[Elsie]

WE???

[Elsie]

Mary, indeed, had fertility problems, as the Catholics claim she had only ONE child: Jesus of Nazareth.

(Maybe Joseph was shooting blanks?)

[Elsie]

God help us!

Why should HE?

Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD

 

[Elsie]

I meant for the US; we were founded mainly by fire brand Puritans.

Like our BIBLE (which we would NOT have, except for Catholics) this land was prepared for use by a Catholic...

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0024.html

[Elsie]

[Elsie]

Lust and Greed caused the English to start the Church of England.

Corruption and arrogance caused the Church to become so foul as to cause men to risk their lives to point it out.

[Elsie]

Yea!!

One more target for the spiritual warfare guns to be trained upon!!

[Elsie]

They all migrated to America.

Every last stinkin' ONE of them??

[Elsie]

...including the bosses. And without constraints on their power—they will naturally run amok.

Well, it seems that Calvin is getting the credit (blame?), but it was Hobbs who noted that life is 'nasty, brutish and short'.

[Elsie]

Whatever happened to Saundra?

[Elsie]

It’s just very difficult to document such cause and effect ...

So it's ok to use the biggest brush to apply the tar?

[Elsie]

There is certainly reason to believe that.

[Elsie]

The corruption of politics also corrupted the religion.

Isn't this BACKWARD?

[Elsie]

For most; thinking is harder...

[Elsie]

Not at all. Protestantism is sectarian filth. I have no “visceral hate for Protestants”. They are merely dupes. Some Protestants - the anti-Catholic kind - are apt to lie.

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I got yer back, Brother!

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Not at all. Catholicism is spiritual filth. I have no “visceral hate for Catholics”. They are merely dupes. Some Catholics - the anti-Protestant kind - are apt to lie.