So, tell me, how would you define "excess"? What is the meaning of that word, precisely? Scripture says to not even look (with a longing gaze) at wine when it is red (caused by the effect on color centers by partial, anaerobic, fermentation). Purple wine is not alcoholic, but it is still "wine" in both Hebrew and Greek. Wine as translated in the Bible can be either, depending on the indications of the context.
I'm sorry, if you dig into the principles of precise interpretation, you will find that such a rendering of the Greek can not lead you to the sense you have written. That is a lacvk of understanding what the translators tried to give us in English, and forcing it into supporting your preference. Unfortunately, though the AV is correct, its ambiguosity can result in grave errors to the unwary or careless.
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Eph 5:18 TR
και μη μεθυσκεσθε οινω εν ω εστιν ασωτια αλλα πληρουσθε εν πνευματι
και -- And ;(conjunctive, theme extending from verses 15-17)
μη -- stop ; (this is a "no," but in the negative imperative sense, it means "do not")
μεθυσκεσθε -- getting yourselves drunk with, intoxicating yourselves using; (verb,present tense, passive voice, middle mode, 2nd person plural)
οινω -- wine; (noun, dative, singular, masculine, though οινω is not necessarily of the fermented variety, here the txt and context denads thatthis fluid referred to contains ethanol, a deadly poison, a toxin, which makes wine containing alcohol at any level an in-toxic-ant, and consuming any amount in-toxic-ates.) εν -- [by]; (preposition, context defining use)
ω -- [means of] which; (noun, dative [of instrumentality], singular, masculine, "which" being masculine refers to the alcoholic wine, whereas neuter would have referred to the action of ingesting)
εστιν -- is; (verb, present tense, active voice, inicative mode, 3rd person, singular)
ασωτια -- debauchery, the habitual lifestyle of a determinedly unsaved person; (noun, nominative, feminine, singular, from α = negative and σώζω = to save, meaning "unsaved" and not "unsafe", in the precise tecnical Biblical sense)
(translation into English would suggest at this point the use of the exclamation point to lend emphasis to this admonition)
αλλα -- But on the contrary (conjunction, denoting contrariwise and instead of habitually drinking alcoholic wine like an unsaved person would)
πληρουσθε -- constantly/habituaslly be being fully filled (verb, present tense, passive voice, middle mode, 2nd person plural, be completely filled to the brim)
εν -- [by]; (preposition, context defining use)
πνευματι -- [means of] [The] Spirit; (noun, dative [of instrumentality], singular, neuter, the context demands that the Spirit mentioned is The Spirit of The God)
(Exclamation point here for the same purpose)
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Here is a translation agreeing with the KJV, but less ambiguous in the message, and carrying across the nuances of the Koine:
"And stop intoxicating yourselves using wine, by means of which is debauchery! But, on the contrary, constantly be being fully filled by The Spirit!"
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In summary, only the regenerated believer-disciple child of The God is indwelt by The Holy Spirit; and if he/she has been ignorant of God's will for His child, he/she is to immediately stop being unwise (v. 17), completely cease the practices of unsaved fools (v. 15) to partake of alcoholic wine at any level; and commit themselves to allow the Holy Ghost to fill them fully to overflowing. The passage goes on to urge them to sing to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, making melody in their hearts as unto The God.
In a similar fashion, the born-anew children of God are begged to let the Word of The Christ dwell in them richly, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in their hearts unto the Lord (Col. 3:16).
Now, two things which are equal to the same thing are equal to each other. The idea then is for true Christians to stop demonstrating debaucery be becoming intoxicated to any degree; rather, they should allow the Holy Ghost to indoctrinate them with the Word of The Christ, becoming exhuberant with the new wine of the spirit.
I see nowhere in the New Testament where followers of Jesus are exhorted to be filled with the Spirit by enjoying a nice relaxing liter or two of Beaujoulais with their next Chateaubriand a deux, do I?
(That's one of the references you cited. For another, prove any way you think you can of Jesus ever making or consuming alcoholic wine. I'll wait. See: Did Jesus Make Alcoholic Wine?)
Warning:
One claiming to be a Bible believer, but on the other hand holding forth for tolerance of casual recreational "wine" drinking (or other alcoholic beverages) is a horribly anti-Christian example for one's children, for "weak" brethren (who are actually stronger when they refuse on a spiritual Scriptural basis), for the onlooking world of angels who have not yet left their first estate, and for the watching lost world of unsaved humans crying for relief from the wages of sin. But for sure, it will not lead to rewards in heaven -- nor on earth, in the end.
I beg you, give up on that stand of refusing the Will of God.
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So, tell me, how would you define “excess”?
A few can drink with out any change, their conservation is still the same.
That is my view and has no more to do with scripture than the question that prompted it.
Scripture says to not even look (with a longing gaze) at wine when it is red >>>>
You left off part of the scripture ( when it giveth his colour in the cup, [when] it moveth itself aright.)
Other scriptures to consider.
1When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee:
20Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh:
The self righteous accused Jesus of being a wine bibber because he had obviously drink a little wine.
30They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
I have never drink any new wine and I have never drink any wine while it was fermenting ( [when] it moveth itself aright.)
But you can see that the writer of Proverbs knew how to make wine.
Proverbs 31
1The words of king Lemuel, the prophecy that his mother taught him.
2What, my son? and what, the son of my womb? and what, the son of my vows?
3Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings.
4It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:
5Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.
6Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
7Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
You can see very plainly that wine is a fermented drink.
I don`t know why you are writing down all of this foreign language, I do not understand it, that is why I depend on the Bible that has been translated.
The Latin vulgate was commissioned in 382 ad, the KJV was put out in 1611 and every thing I have read in them compares, some different words but the same meaning.
So I am not sure I understand you correctly or not but you seem to be saying that when Paul told Timothy to drink a little wine for the stomachs sake he was only talking about grape juice, and when Jesus made wine he only made grape juice.
So when the religious leaders accused Jesus of being a winebibber are you saying that Jesus was only drinking grape juice with the sinners, wow what sinners they were.
“And stop intoxicating yourselves using wine, by means of which is debauchery! But, on the contrary, constantly be being fully filled by The Spirit!”>>>>>
1Cor 11
18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper.
21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
By reading the above scripture you can see very plainly that these people started coming together to eat the Lords supper but it turned out to be just a party.
you can see that they did not stop with eating just a piece of bread and a cup of wine, they turned it into a feast, some were drunk, you do not get drunk on grape juice.
Paul is not complaining about the wine, he is complaining because they have turned the Lords supper into a feast therefore they were not coming together to eat the Lords supper but to show off.
I beg you, give up on that stand of refusing the Will of God.
Believe me I am trying, but to put one thing in the Bible when there are a dozen things to contradict it is not my way of doing it.