Gay Marriage and the LCMS

ALPB Forum ^ | May 23, AD 2014 | Rev. Peter Speckhard

[cloudmountain]

Excommunication, denial of the Sacrament. Pelosi has managed to get back to the Table even at the Vatican. If the unrepentant sin is known, the denial of the Sacrament should be in force in Synod congregations.

Since she got "back to the Table" she had to have done a few things.

1. Go to confession.
2. Confess her sin of endorsing abortion.
3. Ask for forgiveness.

THEN she was able to "get back to the Table."

I don't believe her, not in my wildest dreams do I believe her. But then I don't like or trust her. I never did.

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Pelosi is already 74 years old. Let's hope she leaves real soon.

Feinstein is 80 years old, which is too old for her to do much more damage.

Hillary Clinton is already 66 years old...TOO OLD to start on the road to the White House.

[xone]

Since she got "back to the Table" she had to have done a few things.

Since she has continued to endorse those positions, I doubt she managed to do any of what she should have. She continues to receive.

[narses]

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[xzins]

Birth control is intimately connected to the gay marriage debate because one of the key arguments in favor of gay marriage is that by normalizing birth control (and declaring it an indispensable part of women’s health care), our society has already established that procreation is entirely incidental to the true nature of sex and marriage, so the whole man/woman thing is irrelevant. An interesting and perhaps persuasive point. So I expect (and welcome) a thorough discussion of artificial birth control among advocates of traditional marriage, ....

A sample quote from a very well thought out and very honest article; this is among the best of what I've read in the last few years.

[cloudmountain]

Since she has continued to endorse those positions, I doubt she managed to do any of what she should have. She continues to receive.

It would be an interesting question to ask her, wouldn't it? She made her peace somewhere, with someone. In the end she'll have to make her peace with our good Lord.

[Alamo-Girl]

Truly, it is great insight and well said.

[BlackElk]

May the wisdom of this article be accepted by LCMS. This Catholic will pray that LCMS hold firm on the issues in question. May LCMS do whatever is necessary to retain the LCMS schools without which the denomination’s future will be bleak. May God bless you and yours!

[BonRad]

Fr. Paul Marx, founder of Human Life International (founded in 1981), said early on The Pill would lead to manifold increase in homosexuality.

Its very simple: once sex becomes loosed from primary purpose of marriage, that being reproduction (call it discrete), it becomes entirely recreational (indiscrete).

Elementary Watson.

[AnalogReigns]

The acceptance of any kind of homosexual behavior—much more the abomination of sodomy-marriage—has been and is increasingly defining the lines between true and apostate Christianity.

Conservative denominations like the LCMS must develop and have clear disciplinary actions for pastors or seminary professors—or even lay church teachers—that will excommunicate those who teach that homosexual behavior or “marriage” is acceptable.

One of the big separators between evangelical & orthodox Christians of all kinds from the liberals used to be the issue of homosexuality...now a few so-called evangelicals and emergents have rolled over and are going with the enormous flow of culture... Such persons who cling to sinful teaching must be rejected and removed from our fellowships like cancer.

The early Church did this with all kinds of false teachers; we cannot be afraid to excommunicate false teachers today—for the love of Christ and His Body.

[AnalogReigns]

More than even BC is feminism itself—which brought ABC into the limelight, and using shame pushed its acceptance.

If, as modern feminists claim, there is no difference between men and women other than plumbing, and there are no roles distinct to each sex—everyone is interchangeable in public and private life—than logically, why wouldn’t that apply to the bedroom? No wonder supporters of feminism, abortion,and, homosexuality are usually all the same people.

Modern feminism has been one of the most profoundly anti-feminine—and therefore anti-human—influences on our society.

The blood of 55,000,000+ babies aborted in America alone, must be laid at the feet of the ideology of feminism.

[Ransomed]

I’ll go along with all that. Very well said.

Freegards

[workerbee]

The more conservative and “separatist” strain of the LCMS will see nothing really new be-cause of this issue; as usual, they’ll refuse to change and as a result will become more isolated. They’ve always felt like an embattled minority in American Protestantism anyway, caught between the poles of liberal Protestantism and Evangelicalism, and they still fume about the Council of Trent preventing them from being Catholic.

Debating whether to send the link to a particular LCMS friend. Conservative (on most things) as they come, but this part might strain our friendship.

[lightman]

The early Church did this with all kinds of false teachers; we cannot be afraid to excommunicate false teachers today—for the love of Christ and His Body.

It still took several centuries to stamp out most of Arianism and it continues to resurface in slightly different guises.

The challenge today is that with the multiplicity of denominations and sects excommunication means "start your own church" to most people.