Posted on 05/15/2014 8:58:50 PM PDT by Salvation
I stand, close my eyes, and say the prayer.
In our church, for a while everyone held hands—except for just a few of us. Now I think it’s about 50-50, and the hand-holding is among families, not across the whole pew, which at least is a little better.
I’m concerned about any practices of any group who speak and act in the name of the God of the Holy Bible. Any born again Christian must have that concern. I’m zealous for His Word.
I wonder what it really meant.
Here comes Mr. Halitosis now....
bump
how nice she looked
Show me a church without rules.
Genesis 3:1b
Why?
To PROVE that micro managing is ok?
You want the Jewish 613 'rules'?
Or the original 10 'rules'?
or the Noahic 7 'rules'
or the Catholic...
WITHOUT rules. Did you miss the message?
Thanks for proving my point.
I always hated this crap. It started about 15 years ago for some reason and everyone wanted to get on board.
First off I don’t need to draw attention to myself. From the looks of most of the participants, they should avoid drawing attention to themselves, or at least cover up the garish tattoos.
On the second point, I don’t want to hold anyone else’s hand. Too many people are scratching, nose picking, poor hand washing pigs and that is just my kids and I. I have enough problems with the ‘sign of peace’ some yokel always feels it is necessary to run up and down the aisles glad handing like he is running for County Sherriff. Enough already, a nod and a smile is all that is needed. If you sit up at the front row, normally no one is by you s a nod and smile is all that is needed. Ignore the glad hander.
I don’t want to hold hands or have people trying to kiss each other.
Church isn’t the Dating Game and no bottles should be spun
Your comment about Jesus touching someone and healing them has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with people holding hands in church.
“Tradition” started by a bunch of drunks trying to sober up?
I don’t think so.
Although not a part of our culture, that at least would be Biblical:
It was the widespread custom in the ancient western Mediterranean for men to greet each other with a kiss on the cheek. That was also the custom in ancient Judea and practiced also by Christians. In the Gospels, greeting with a kiss was also the custom practiced by Jesus.
However, the New Testament's reference to a holy kiss (en philemati hagio) and kiss of love (en philemati agapēs) transformed the character of the act beyond a greeting. Such a kiss is mentioned five times in the New Testament:
Romans 16:16 — "Greet one another with a holy kiss" (Greek: ἀσπάσασθε ἀλλήλους ἐν φιλήματι ἁγίῳ).
I Corinthians 16:20 — "Greet one another with a holy kiss" (Greek: ἀσπάσασθε ἀλλήλους ἐν φιλήματι ἁγίῳ).
II Corinthians 13:12 — "Greet one another with a holy kiss" (Greek: ἀσπάσασθε ἀλλήλους ἐν ἁγίῳ φιλήματι).
I Thessalonians 5:26 — "Greet all the brothers with a holy kiss" (Greek: ἀσπάσασθε τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς πάντας ἐν φιλήματι ἁγίῳ).
I Peter 5:14 — "Greet one another with a kiss of love" (Greek: ἀσπάσασθε ἀλλήλους ἐν φιλήματι ἀγάπης).[1]
The writings of the early church fathers speak of the holy kiss, which they call "a sign of peace", which was already part of the Eucharistic liturgy, occurring after the Lord's Prayer in the Roman Rite and the rites directly derived from it. (Wiki)
“I keep the missalette open in my right hand, so it is obvious that nobody can shake it.”
I’ll try that. Keeping my right hand on my cane doesn’t deter everyone.
** I keep the missalette open in my right hand, so it is obvious that nobody can shake it. **
Good idea.
. . . sed libera nos a malo.
LOL! I’m betting holding hands goes back maybe even to Adam & Eve. So AA probably shouldn’t get the credit. I’m not arguing your pint about sanitation. Just saying that holding hands has probably always been in the lexicon of affectionate expression among humans. To suppose it was never done in church before some arbitrary date is like saying nobody ever smiled or frowned in church because it wasn’t part of the liturgy. Way past silly. One of those things that could never bind the conscience of those who cherish their liberty in Christ.
I am very comfortable with the sign of peace. Justin Martyr wrote of it as part of the mass in his apologia to Caesar.
What distresses me is that the Lamb of God is always begun before everyone has finished with the sign of peace.
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