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Read the Early Church Fathers who knew Mary.


85 posted on 05/12/2014 8:18:10 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Already read the Apostles, they say nothing about it. John who took charge of her at Golgotha, described the woman from Revelation, yet couldn’t recognize his ‘mother’. More made up baloney.


91 posted on 05/12/2014 10:40:06 AM PDT by xone
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To: Salvation
Read the Early Church Fathers who knew Mary.

Name ANY church father who was alive while Mary was alive and then demonstrate both that he knew her and revered her as the Queen of Heaven and not merely as she who bore Jesus.

Let me help you ... as Catholic history is a unique point of view ...

Clement of Rome ... yes, he may have known her ... but in his letter to the Corinthians he mentions her exactly ZERO times ... and its a huge letter. Clement mentions Paul several times ... but not Mary at all.

Ignatius was a disciple of John who may have known Mary ... but the timing makes it very unlikely. He does mention Mary in his epistles but only that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary. Nothing about revering any more than that ... nothing about her being the Queen of Heaven. The letter to Mary, and her response is known to be pseudonymous.

Polycarp was also a disciple of John but lived too late to have known Mary unless she lived well into the final years of the first century AD. He mentions Mary exactly ZERO times in his letters.

So now where does that leave us?

Only with the fasle assertion that the early church fathers both knew and revered Mary.

Those that lived in the same century as the apostles make no case for your statement.

117 posted on 05/13/2014 7:29:22 AM PDT by dartuser
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