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To: delchiante
we have the power to bind and loose today... We have been given the same gifts the original apostles were given..

I don't see that. The LORD specifically spoke to the Apostles in those texts, especially to Peter. He trained the Apostles and delegated his authority to them. You could make the case for those whom the apostles trained, and those whom they trained trained ... etc.

Yet with faith, prayer, and fasting could we do this ? The psych units, jails, and prisons are full of cases like this.


124 posted on 05/13/2014 7:41:17 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981

1st Timoyhy 2: For there is one mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus. One can only mean one. It can’t mean anything else. The Bible is God’s word. If the Bible says it that settles it. Your opinion does’nt matter.


125 posted on 05/15/2014 1:21:28 PM PDT by 777AV
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To: af_vet_1981

Binding and loosing mean bidding and forbidding, granting and refusing, declaring lawful or unlawful. And it is only because of the gift of the Holy Spirit, that all believers are given, can we know and appl our Heavenly Father’s Laws and Will to our lives.

It is administration of our Heavenly Father’s Laws and statutes, which is how we know His Will- not from man made catechisms and statements of faith but out of the scriptures with the Holy Spirit as our helper.

His called out assembly, because of the Holy Spirit, would truly bind or loose only those things which God had already bound or loosed in heaven.

It was careful study and prayer and the help of the Holy Spirit while together that would allow the law like circumcision not to be applied to Gentiles..
They just didn’t come up with that willy nilly- it was ‘loosened’ on earth and scripture confirms that it had already been determined to be loosed in heaven by our Heavenly Father-
And we know from scripture that there were gentiles who were not circumcised but had still received the holy spirit so yes, Our Heavenly Father had ordained that to be changed.

A called out assembly is here to teach what God allows and forbids.. not to counsel together and say, let’s do it our way or have backroom deals or say ‘our will be done’ and God can’t help but change because he gave us the power..(we see lots of denominations doing this very thing )

Believers have the same Holy Spirit and we should have the same reverence for Our Heavenly Father’s Law and Will.

Did not Messiah bind up adultery law to even mean lusting after? or murder law to mean being angry with? Those laws were tightened.
Did he not loosen the Sabbath law by healing and doing good on that day?

The authority was in the hands of the chief priests at that time and they ‘lorded’ over the people- and did not do what they said for others to do.. by threat of their power..messiah called them hypocrites.

The power of the Holy Spirit is that it teaches us all things and brings us to rememberance all that Messiah says to us.

In Mathew, after mentionng binding and loosing, He states that when two believers agree on touching anything that they shall ask, it will be given to them. (If it be in accordance with our Heavenly Father’s will should be the correct assumption here)

Our heavenly Father will back up the decision made on earth by the group of believers on binding and loosing — when the decision is made according to His law and His will
Could it not be the same with a small group? The Holy Spirit again is our helper. And will not lead us away from our Heavenly Father nor cause administration from God’s law or His Will.. righteous decisions regarding the final outcome of any matter can be met without a counsel of pharisees..

Messiah is master teacher and His true and Holy Word is our instuction. The first believers had been given the keys to heaven. The keys to God’s laws that the Pharisees thought they had..

If we love Him, we will do His will and obey His commandments and not misuse the keys to heaven or as some have- made up a new set of keys to heaven based on man’s will..

Denominations will not be ruling or reigning. Saints will.. and any denominations who have strayed from our Heavenly Father’s laws and will, will soon find that His Will will be done, and they are good as done..


127 posted on 05/17/2014 10:52:51 AM PDT by delchiante
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