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To: PhilipFreneau

If you read Daniel 9:25, he talks about 70 weeks. At the time Christ was crucified, the clock stopped at the 69th week. The last “seven” or week cannot start until the “he” who is the AntiChrist confirms the covenant in Daniel 9:27 for one “seven”. These are the last seven years before the 2nd coming of Christ. The soon to be built temple is mentioned in this passage. It cannot refer to the old temple destroyed by the Romans because there was never a “covenant” back then. Daniel 12:11 also refers to the abomination in the temple where the AC demands worship of himself instead of God.

Isaiah 17 must happen before all of that though (see the oracle against Damascus).

Maybe this link will help?

http://www.gotquestions.org/end-times-temple.html

Daniel and Revelation are mirrors of each other in a lot of ways.


30 posted on 05/07/2014 6:25:03 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
>>>If you read Daniel 9:25, he talks about 70 weeks. At the time Christ was crucified, the clock stopped at the 69th week. The last “seven” or week cannot start until the “he” who is the AntiChrist confirms the covenant in Daniel 9:27 for one “seven”. These are the last seven years before the 2nd coming of Christ. The soon to be built temple is mentioned in this passage. It cannot refer to the old temple destroyed by the Romans because there was never a “covenant” back then. <<<

There is not one shred of evidence supporting the new-age, dispensational "stopped-clock" theory. It can only be derived by spiritualizing the scriptures.

Only seventy weeks (490 years) were determined: not thousands of years. The seventy weeks were fulfilled three and one-half years after Christ was crucified. In fact, the scripture plainly states that Christ arrived at the end of the 69th week. Since his ministry lasted one-half week (3.5 years,) that would leave only one-half week (3.5 years) to fulfil the prophecy. The only part left to be fulfilled within the seventy weeks was the remaining 3.5 years of confirmation of the covenant, which his disciples fulfilled for him (while seeking the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and prior to beginning their ministries to the Samaritans and Gentiles.)

The punishment phase (the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 by the Roman armies of Titus) was not part of the seventy weeks. Only the six items in 9:24 required fulfillment within the seventy weeks!


>>>Daniel 12:11 also refers to the abomination in the temple where the AC demands worship of himself instead of God.<<<

That prophesy was fulfilled by Antiochus IV around 145 BC. Jamieson, Fausset & Brown explained it this way:

    "As to this epoch, which probably is prophetically germinant and manifold; the profanation of the temple by Antiochus: (in the month Ijar of the year 145 B. C., till the restoration of the worship by Judas Maccabeus on the twenty-fifth day of the ninth month (Chisleu) of 148 B. C., according to the Seleucid era, 1290 days; forty-five days more elapsed before Antiochus’ death in the month Shebat of 148 B. C., so ending the Jews’ calamities;" [Commentary, Old Testament Vol II - Proverbs to Malachi]

Note the remarkable exactness of the fulfilled dates! The prophecy states:

    "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days." (Dan 12:11-12 KJV)

Amazing! The daily sacrifice was restored on day 1290, and the tyrant, Antiochus IV, died on day 1335.

Josephus also wrote about the reign of Antiochus:

    "AT the same time that Antiochus, who was called Epiphanes, had a quarrel with the sixth Ptolemy about his right to the whole country of Syria, a great sedition fell among the men of power in Judea, and they had a contention about obtaining the government; while each of those that were of dignity could not endure to be subject to their equals. However, Onias, one of the high priests, got the better, and cast the sons of Tobias out of the city; who fled to Antiochus, and besought him to make use of them for his leaders, and to make an expedition into Judea. The king being thereto disposed beforehand, complied with them, and came upon the Jews with a great army, and took their city by force, and slew a great multitude of those that favored Ptolemy, and sent out his soldiers to plunder them without mercy. He also spoiled the temple, and put a stop to the constant practice of offering a daily sacrifice of expiation for three years and six months. But Onias, the high priest, fled to Ptolemy, and received a place from him in the Nomus of Heliopolis, where he built a city resembling Jerusalem, and a temple that was like its temple concerning which we shall speak more in its proper place hereafter." [Josephus, Wars of the Jews I.1.1]

Matthew Henry wrote:

    "The event fixed from which the time of the trouble is to be dated, from the taking away of the daily sacrifice by Antiochus, and the setting up of the image of Jupiter upon the altar, which was the abomination of desolation." [Commentary on the Whole Bible Volume IV (Isaiah to Malachi)]


Anyway, the so-called "Anti-Christ" in Daniel 12 died about 145 BC. When Jesus spoke of the Abomination of Desolation in Matthew 24 and Mark 13, he was referring to Antiochus IV. The disciples could not possibly know what the Dan 9:27 abominations were referring to at that time since they were not fulfilled until AD 70.

Philip

36 posted on 05/07/2014 7:48:55 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
>>>Isaiah 17 must happen before all of that though (see the oracle against Damascus).<<<

The destruction of Damascus occurred during the reign of Ahaz, king of Judah:

   "So Ahaz sent messengers to Tiglathpileser king of Assyria, saying, I am thy servant and thy son: come up, and save me out of the hand of the king of Syria, and out of the hand of the king of Israel, which rise up against me. And Ahaz took the silver and gold that was found in the house of the Lord, and in the treasures of the king's house, and sent it for a present to the king of Assyria. And the king of Assyria hearkened unto him: for the king of Assyria went up against Damascus, and took it, and carried the people of it captive to Kir, and slew Rezin. And king Ahaz went to Damascus to meet Tiglathpileser king of Assyria, and saw an altar that was at Damascus: and king Ahaz sent to Urijah the priest the fashion of the altar, and the pattern of it, according to all the workmanship thereof." (2 Kin 16:7-10 KJV)

Note that while Isaiah gave us wonderful prophecies of the coming of Christ, he also prophesied about events that occurred during his own time period:

   "The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah." (Isa 1:1 KJV)

Philip

37 posted on 05/07/2014 7:58:43 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
>>>http://www.gotquestions.org/end-times-temple.html<<<

That link simply referred to several passages which have been spiritualized to make them appear to refer to a third temple. There are no prophecies about a third temple. None.


>>>Daniel and Revelation are mirrors of each other in a lot of ways.<<<

In some ways, yes. But I doubt they relate in ways that you think. For example, the resurrection mentioned in Daniel 12:1-2 was only for Daniel's people. Guess who Daniel's people were? This is the passage:

   "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." (Dan 12:1-2 KJV)

That resurrection was only for the children of Israel. Note also that during the resurrection, some went to heaven, and some went to hell. How does that fit into the dispensational scheme?

Philip

39 posted on 05/07/2014 8:11:17 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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