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What Would Jesus Do On the Death Penalty?
http://the-american-catholic.com ^ | May 4, 2014 | Donald R. McClarey

Posted on 05/05/2014 6:09:42 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

I always find questions that begin “What Would Jesus Do?” rather obnoxious for two reasons. First, because they are usually posed by people absolutely certain that Jesus follows their views in lockstep, and second, because Christ of course is God and the mind of the All-Mighty is unknowable to us. As Lincoln put it so well in his Second Inaugural:

Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes.

So questions that begin “What Would Jesus Do”?, strike me as presumptuous at best and blasphemous at worst.

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To: chuckles

I’m for the death penalty. It should have never been abolished as it has been today....not to mention the lengthy appeals which serve no one other than the criminal.


41 posted on 05/06/2014 1:08:41 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

We still have it in Texas. When I was young, we had it for rape. Now that women have been liberated, we call it sexual assault and it’s treated like somebody got beat up. The old southern ideas about how to treat a woman have been swept under the liberal rug. Course, many of the old rapes involved blacks with white women and trees were involved. I guess they figure the woman would heal up and forget about it so they lowered the penalty.


42 posted on 05/06/2014 1:16:49 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

Every state in the union use to have a crime called “assault on a woman”. Every state in the union used to have a crime called “crime against nature”. That was in a land far, far away. Now we treat women, EXACTLY LIKE A MAN, and treat degenerate homosexual predators as normal behavior. The next crime to be done away with will be “sex with a minor”, or “bestiality”. Both will be recognized as perfectly normal behavior in this immoral brave new world. Jesus weeps.


43 posted on 05/06/2014 8:47:48 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: chuckles

Am leaving soon but wanted to answer your post....

We’ve done such an injustice to people who have survived criminal assault, or lost family members. It’s terrible the suffering they go through while they watch our courts extend “swift justice” for years and years.

The criminal element today knows exactly how far they can push the boundaries because these are either non-existent or made of rubber and moves from one moment to the next.

Our nation today is upside down..right is wrong and wrong is right...bad is good and good is bad. A nation without the carrying through the laws..rather laws are made, tweaked and designed to protect the criminal element.


44 posted on 05/06/2014 12:42:48 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
I'm wondering if everyone here has seen the Youtube video on the Harbingers by Johnathan Cahn. There are several of them there and some are better than others. The point is America have been cursed now because of 50 years of abortion and now gay marriage. I could give you a bunch of verses on it but start with Leviticus 18:22 where God promises to vomit us out of the land we defile. Then 9-11 happened and a modern prophet drew a connection to Isaiah 9:10. It makes quite a case that America is finished if we don't repent. We haven't repented. Then the market crash in 2008 on the exact day Jews were to forgive debts every 7 years. If the prophesy is true we can expect another punishment in Sept 2015, 7 years later than 2008. Then we have the "4 Blood Moons" right on Jewish Feast days ending in 2015.

If we don't repent and change our ways back to what is acceptable to God, America is finished, IMO. If people call themselves Christian, they can't just brush over the facts saying, well that was long ago for someone else. Killing babies and letting murderers live is calling evil good. Allowing sodomites to marry is calling evil good. We are reviled as haters, which is calling good evil. It's time to decide if you are willing to follow God or be the one He says "I never knew you". The lights should crawl out from under the baskets and make it to the top of the hill. As Christian soldiers, we seem to be laying in the bottom of a muddy foxhole with our helmets pulled down over our eyes and our swords sheathed. God is shouting to take the hill and here we set.

No matter if you believe this or not, if Hillary get elected America is finished. You will not believe what's in store if we survive 8 years of this for another 8 years of the same.

It's time to figure out what Jesus would do and then do it. It's not enough to talk about it. Everywhere in verse we read that we are to be doer's of the Word and not just hearer's. If you aren't being called a fanatic fundamentalist Jesus freak, your probably not doing it right.

45 posted on 05/06/2014 2:06:46 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: NKP_Vet
Every break of a commandment brings down judgment. God forgave both the apostle Paul and David, but both suffered life long consequences for their actions.

Earthly judgment of individuals is to forestall God's judgment of nations. When we cease to execute justice, God will intervene against the nation.

Doing kindness should never be misconstrued as justice.

46 posted on 05/06/2014 3:23:10 PM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: mdmathis6
God the father rendered the punishment of death upon his sinless son

I don't know that I agree with that.

47 posted on 05/11/2014 6:21:14 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

2 Corinthians 5:21 says: “For our sake [God] made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.”

Obviously, the question and answer of sin and redemption from sin revolves around the death of Jesus and his resurrection. Since the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one and were always one, one more looks at Jesus as that sacrifice that cleanses his children from unrighteousness, making them acceptable in the sight of the Father. Christ died so that the wrath of the Father could be turned away from those humans who sought salvation, acknowledging their sin, believing in their hearts that the Father had raised the son from the grave.

The wages of sin are death, but the gift of God is eternal life. Christ took the consequences of our sin upon himself, in full co-operation with the will of the Father. So is it proper to say God poured out his wrath upon the son, you ask? I guess it has become a kind of short hand answer over the years to the more accurate explanation above based on 2Corinthians 5:21. I firmly believe that to the extent that the fullness of the Godhead could have died “as a ransom for many” as the scripture says, it did so on the cross. Christ cried out as many a dying man has done so when his flesh is failing, in despair, expressing feelings of abandonment(My God why have you forsaken me)...yet he was not alone since Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were all, one and all the same in that same consciousness, purpose and Commitment. Do you not think the Ark angels that support the throne of the Father did not note the pain of the Father? Were not the elements shaken, the light of day darkened, the earth quaking at the death of Christ? Was not the temple veil rent in two? Let us mourn God in flesh....now let us rejoice in the risen God in flesh. In death, Christ has taken death captive...why do all this? Because God had loved us with a wild raging love, this fallen race, ruled and scorned by demons and hated by Satan, so much so that he sent the Son, who the Bible states, willingly came for our sakes. Was he not God who could command legions of angels and by the power of God raise Lazarus from the grave? Yet was he also not a man who sweated great drops like blood at the thought of his death? Father,Son, and Spirit all at once were sharing Christ’s consciousness at the end when he said “It is finished”. What utter love compelled God to do this for us? We shall never be able to fathom it!

Perhaps it may be the epitome of accuracy to say that Jesus became sin for us so that the fullness of the Godhead, by pouring out the wrath for our sin upon itself/themself(yes..THEMSELF!... deliberate misspelling), might bring about the means for the redemption of our souls.

Or simply John 3:16-18!16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


48 posted on 05/12/2014 3:29:33 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (It was never Bush's fault...Spock's messing with red matter was what screwed us all up!)
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