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To: af_vet_1981
So we'll find that in doctrines of the Confessional Lutheran church then? Find it for me then in any of the following: The Augsburg Confession, The Defense of the Augsburg Confession, The Smalcald Articles, The Treatise on the Power and Primacy of the Pope, The Small Catechism, The Large Catechism, The Epitome of the Formula of Concord, The Solid Declaration of the Formula of Concord. I've read documents, but can't seem to find them.

OTOH your leaders in the Catholic church have promulgated these: Papal_Bulls_Jews.

Seems to be a discrepancy. Lots of doctrinal claims re: Luther, but zero substance. Catholics: Special badges or dress for Jews. Special taxes for Jews, Forcing Jews to remit debt of Christians, Banning, confiscating or burning Jewish law books and other writings, Encouraging or forcing conversion of Jews, Expelling Jews from Papal territories or forcing Jews to live in ghettos, Inquisition for backsliding converted Jews. No doubt more of that 'were part of the ordinary day-to-day teaching of the Church' that we heard about so recently.

317 posted on 05/06/2014 9:08:54 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone
So we'll find that in doctrines of the Confessional Lutheran church then?

How does the Confessional Lutheran church differ from the Lutheran church ? I assume it follows the Protestant model. The church was founded by a man of the times (Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, etc.) and not by our LORD Jesus Christ. It caught on for a while until its adherents either tired of the man and/or his doctrine. They refined, reformed, split, or latched onto another man. A new religion/sect/denominational name was selected to differentiate them from whatever group they were now protesting against, and so it goes to this day.

Since the Lutheran Church was founded by Martin Luther, it cannot disown him. His life is defined by everything he wrote down for posterity. It reflects the spirit within him.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

332 posted on 05/07/2014 4:05:07 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: xone
OTOH your leaders in the Catholic church have promulgated these:
  1. The Holy See has to date published, through its Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews, two significant documents intended for the application of the Second Vatican Council's Declaration Nostra Aetate, n. 4: the 1974 Guidelines and Suggestions; and the 1985 Notes on the Correct Way to Present the Jews and Judaism in Preaching and Catechesis in the Catholic Church. Today it publishes another document, which the Holy See's Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews has prepared at the express request of His Holiness Pope John Paul II. This document, which contains a reflection on the Shoah, is another step on the path marked out by the Second Vatican Council in our relations with the Jewish people. In the words which His Holiness wrote in his letter to me as President of the Commission, it is our fervent hope "that the document [...] will help to heal the wounds of past misunderstandings and injustices".1 It is addressed to the Catholic faithful throughout the world, not only in Europe where the Shoah took place, hoping that all Christians will join their Catholic brothers and sisters in meditating on the catastrophe which befell the Jewish people, on its causes, and on the moral imperative to ensure that never again such a tragedy will happen. At the same time it asks our Jewish friends to hear us with an open heart.
  2. The message of the council's statement is clear. Recalling in moving terms the "spiritual bond that ties the people of the New Covenant to Abraham's stock," the Fathers of the council remind us of the special place Jews hold in the Christian perspective, for "now as before God holds them as most dear for the sake of the patriarchs; he has not withdrawn his gifts or calling." Jews, therefore, the Fathers caution, are not "to be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from Holy Scripture." The Passion of Jesus, moreover, "cannot be attributed without distinction to all Jews then alive, nor can it be attributed to the Jews of today." The Church, the statement declares, "decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism directed against the Jews at any time and by anyone."

333 posted on 05/07/2014 4:33:01 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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